You Done with Morgan Yet?

[OldhamA]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Brooks isn't "unfortunate". We drafted a RB coming off of a torn ACL. I give GMs a pass for drafting guys that run into injury issues while having no medical red flags coming in. It's football, it happens. But when you draft a guy with medical red flags and then he continues to get injured you gotta own that. You took a calculated risk and lost.

Frank Gore says hi. Willis McGahee says hi.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Frank Gore says hi. Willis McGahee says hi.

Two outliers over the past 25 years or whatever?  Even if we got Frank Gore in the 2nd round, that wasn't gonna move the needle a millimeter on this team.  Absolutely indefensible draft selection.

[PadresPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, SCO96 said:

I wouldn't be upset if Evero left, but like Canales he get's too much blame IMHO. Only 2 of our 11 starters have to be accounted for on every play (Brown and Horn). The other 9 guys probably wouldn't start on a contending team. We traded away our best pass rusher at the start of 2024 and only this year did we draft 2 guys who could "possibly" to replace him.

Our secondary picked off 9 passes in 2024. Kirby Joseph had the same total as a Safety in Detroit.

We just don't have a lot of talent to work with in Carolina. That's why I think we should be playing anyone form the 24-25 drafts as much as possible to see what we have.

The defense here has never been good with evero. Last year was record breaking bad. He has chosen his guys several times ( dj Johnson, scott) and they have all been terrible. 

Evero imo does nothing to make the defense better in the 3 seasons ive seen him. Is he the only problem? No. But he is definitely not the solution 

[woahfraze]

While it certainly is a gamble to take a guy with injury concerns, if that player is at a critical position (moreso in terms of positional value, not roster need), then it’s not necessarily an unforgivable sin to take that player if your medical staff thinks the player will make a full recovery. 
 

But RB isn’t a position that carries a ton of value. It’s not a QB, edge rusher or left tackle. So not a great look for Morgan when ignoring the context of the roster. When you add that in, the fact that we’ve got a player I think you could fairly characterize as “at worst serviceable,” and honestly more fairly describe as “median starting RB in the league” in Chuba Hubbard already in the backfield, and the decision to not just draft, but trade up for Brooks, becomes inexcusable. 

[SCO96]

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

2 1sts and a 2nd for an edge rusher that is barely pro bowl material much less all pro. The offer we got from the Rams was more than the offer for Parsons. You take that offer and run every day. 

And yes, those picks would have made a difference to a GM with half a brain. The trade package could have changed and kept Moore. The offer could have been 9, and the Rams 2 1sts for 1. Then the following year we still have our one, which we can either use to draft Daniels after the colossal turd of a rookie year Bryce had (Rosen with Az), or trade it for a collection of picks ourselves. 

Trading Burns gave us options, because without a QB, building around a pass rusher thats piss poor against the run for all pro money just doesn't make much sense. Burns was Hassan Reddick with the Spiderman gimmick. He was never JJ, TJ, Reggie, Peppers, Miller, Garrett. Those are guys you build.a defense around. 

No one on this board would have had the luxury of using those picks. I have not doubt that most of us could have made that scenario work. Unfortunately Scott F would have been the beneficiary of those picks. Based on HIS TRACK RECORD, do you really think HE would have used them to significantly improve the team? I do not which is why that deal really doesn't bother me in hindsight.

We had the first pick in the draft in chose BY. Nuff Said.

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Frank Gore says hi. Willis McGahee says hi.

Those GMs took calculated risks and they won. No one would be complaining about that pick if he had bounced back and proved to be an elite NFL RB. But reality is what it is and when you take a calculated risk and lose you gotta own it. No one would be clowning Bryce for being five foot nothing a hundred and nothing pounds of he was out there looking like Drew Brees but we took a calculated risk and we lost.

[SCO96]

10 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

But RB isn’t a position that carries a ton of value. It’s not a QB, edge rusher or left tackle. So not a great look for Morgan when ignoring the context of the roster. When you add that in, the fact that we’ve got a player I think you could fairly characterize as “at worst serviceable,” and honestly more fairly describe as “median starting RB in the league” in Chuba Hubbard already in the backfield, and the decision to not just draft, but trade up for Brooks, becomes inexcusable. 

I agree with this post. As bad as we were in 2023, that 2024 2nd round pick should have yielded an immediate starter at some area of need.

But, even if Morgan still thought Brooks was "that guy", then he should have just red-shirted all of 2024 and give that knee time to fully heal for 2025.

[Jon Snow]

51 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

The biggest problem, IMO, is that Tepper has never truly cut the cord and started fresh. There has always been some remnant of a previous regime left over when he's tried to start fresh.

1) Fired Rivera, but kept Hurney.

2) Let Hurney go, but kept Rhule.

3) Fired Rhule, but kept Fitterer.

4) Fired Reich/Fitterer, but promoted Morgan.

If we're going to clean house, let's actually CLEAN fuging HOUSE and tear this thing down to the foundation and re-build properly.

He has to keep someone on to tell him what to do. If he got rid of everyone he would have to bring in someone from the outside to tell h8m what to do and he's not having that.

[SmokinwithWilly]

17 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

No one on this board would have had the luxury of using those picks. I have not doubt that most of us could have made that scenario work. Unfortunately Scott F would have been the beneficiary of those picks. Based on HIS TRACK RECORD, do you really think HE would have used them to significantly improve the team? I do not which is why that deal really doesn't bother me in hindsight.

We had the first pick in the draft in chose BY. Nuff Said.

I dont know if he would have been able to negotiate a deal like that or not, but I think even a pitiful GM would have been able to move up 8 spots with 3 1sts and 2 2nds, of course Fittershits would have used ours instead of theirs. 

The deal bothers me because it's just one more instance of Tepper putting unqualified people at the helm and I don't think Morgan is really any different. It's still RAS scores, athleticism and unrealized potential instead of guys that can just play football. Good candidates don't want to come here. Tepper may be out of the building but I have no doubt his influence is still very much in place. 

[SCO96]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The deal bothers me because it's just one more instance of Tepper putting unqualified people at the helm and I don't think Morgan is really any different. It's still RAS scores, athleticism and unrealized potential instead of guys that can just play football. Good candidates don't want to come here. Tepper may be out of the building but I have no doubt his influence is still very much in place. 

I lost faith in the  front office during the 2021 draft. I was never sold on Justin Fields so I was ok with the Horn selection. We had a high 2nd round pick the next night. We were in desperate need of O-line help at almost every position. We traded down twice and picked TMJ who isn't even in the league anymore. Almost any lineman we picked that year would have improved the team.

We picked a WR despite having DJ Moore and Robbie Anderson who had just signed an extension and was coming off of a 1,000 yard season. A couple of picks later KC picked Creed Humphrey who is now an All-Pro center and his position is still an area of need on this team. I knew then that these guys can't just look at game film and evaluate players. They're into RAS testing and trying to seem like their draft moves make them the smartest GM in the room.

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Xavier Legette might be the worst player in the entire league, including practice squads. For that pick alone Morgan needs to be on the hotseat.

What if.... He didn't have a choice like they didn't have a choice with Bryce... 

 

[CanadianCat]

Im still ok with Dan. 

Also the reality is that we have to stick with Dan... Im a big believer that GM's and HC's need to be tied to the hip - and we are not firing Canales in year 2 of 7. 

I think almost no matter how the year end results are, we are having another year with Canales. Its how ye does NEXT year that will determine if he gets fired or not. 

[carpanfan96]

21 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I dont know if he would have been able to negotiate a deal like that or not, but I think even a pitiful GM would have been able to move up 8 spots with 3 1sts and 2 2nds, of course Fittershits would have used ours instead of theirs. 

The deal bothers me because it's just one more instance of Tepper putting unqualified people at the helm and I don't think Morgan is really any different. It's still RAS scores, athleticism and unrealized potential instead of guys that can just play football. Good candidates don't want to come here. Tepper may be out of the building but I have no doubt his influence is still very much in place. 

It's still mostly the same scouts running the show that we're here in 2021, they've just been promoted. Nicole and David are all over the building and in meetings when it's draft and FA time. They are still completely making the decisions. 

[t96]

I was done with him the moment his hiring was announced. Completely bonkers decision to promote someone from the Fitterer front office. Everyone involved with any of those decisions under Fitterer should've been canned along with him for a complete overhaul of the room. Tepper is such a clown