Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

XL about to turn the corner


kungfoodude
 Share

Recommended Posts

The first few mins of this podcast is agreeing with Cam.  The rest is failure of XL to sell his route but also the stacked WR sets calked by Canales


Really good viewpoint at 8mins and 32 seconds of this 11 min video on what is problematic with XL stopping on an option route   

Canales isnt doing the offense any favors either    not impressed but really no option 

..but Brad Izik calling plays.  The thing he foes best is be Dave’s buddy 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

DJ Johnson just ticked too many boxes on the warning list. Unpolished/raw at his position, older guy, etc. 

Project players don't belong in the top 3 rounds, IMO. Not on teams completely bereft of talent. The Ravens, 49ers, etc of the world can get away with that. It's hard to justify that in the condition our roster usuallu is.

The good drafters don’t do that. That’s why we wonder how so many solid prospects drop to the Eagles or Ravens. It’s not that they can get away with reaches, it’s that they don’t do that. We do that and we can’t. That’s how you get an 8 year slump like the Jets and Browns and that’s how they seem to stay playoff contenders year after year.

 

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

The first few mins of this podcast is agreeing with Cam.  The rest is failure of XL to sell his route but also the stacked WR sets calked by Canales


Really good viewpoint at 8mins and 32 seconds of this 11 min video on what is problematic with XL stopping on an option route   

Canales isnt doing the offense any favors either    not impressed but really no option 

..but Brad Izik calling plays.  The thing he foes best is be Dave’s buddy 

It does really look like they are forcing throws to him. Honestly, all the more reason to sit him. Don't let the focus on attempting to feed a struggling player the ball hurt the overall offense. He ain't JaMarr Chase.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

The good drafters don’t do that. That’s why we wonder how so many solid prospects drop to the Eagles or Ravens. It’s not that they can get away with reaches, it’s that they don’t do that. We do that and we can’t. That’s how you get an 8 year slump like the Jets and Browns and that’s how they seem to stay playoff contenders year after year.

 

100%. They have shrewd and intelligent evaluators. We have the 180 degrees of that. 

We outsmart ourselves attempting to be the smartest guy in the room CONSTANTLY.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

100%. They have shrewd and intelligent evaluators. We have the 180 degrees of that. 

We outsmart ourselves attempting to be the smartest guy in the room CONSTANTLY.

Yep. We are the fantasy owners that grab the last player left at the end of each run. We draft guys coming off bad injuries, athletic guys who’ve never shown they are good at football, one year wonders, projects, older prospects and worst of all guys who fall in more than one of those buckets. Even worse than that is we trade up for guys like that.

  • Beer 1
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/19/2025 at 10:49 AM, kungfoodude said:

That's not what Bryce was pitched to be. Nor was the, what, 4th or 5th Tepper rebuild iteration?

That's the problem with all this. You trade all this draft capital up to get these guys(Bryce, XL, etc) and then when they get their opportunities they can't hack it.

As I have said many times, I view this as less of a development issue as I do an evaluation issue. We just suck at identifying talent correctly. It fails us all too often. If it was solely development, so many of these guys that left here after being failed draft picks would be studs. That is literally almost never the case.

I don’t give a fug what he was pitched to be or by whom. I’m telling you who he is and how to win with him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I don’t give a fug what he was pitched to be or by whom. I’m telling you who he is and how to win with him. 

We aren't going to win anything except a few meaningless games late in the season when there's no pressure to make the playoffs. That's a hard truth you're just going to have to reconcile with. The rest of us will be looking at the upcoming QB class.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

DJ Johnson just ticked too many boxes on the warning list. Unpolished/raw at his position, older guy, etc. 

Project players don't belong in the top 3 rounds, IMO. Not on teams completely bereft of talent. The Ravens, 49ers, etc of the world can get away with that. It's hard to justify that in the condition our roster usuallu is.

I never looked at 3rd round prospects that year.Used to, but man it is time consuming. But lots of people knew it, I remember the draft night reaction. And the org took him because? They didn’t see it? 
I looked at the QBs in 2023 because of the magnitude of the decision and because it was a lock we were taking QB.  

Well I saw it probably inside of a half hour of clips. Significant issues. Plenty of people saw it too. But the fuging team didn’t?

The thing with everyone bagging on the scouts… I don’t think they picked Bryce, I don’t think they picked DJ Johnson. I don’t know what they do anymore. Gatekeep who gets past them to the real decision makers? 
 

 

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Oh, the high expectations after a draft. Keep your expectations low, people. Darin Gantt's latest "Ask The Old Guy" gives life to one of those lessons about pro football reality as a fan: "Rasheed Walker was a three-year starter at left tackle for the Packers, so Freeling is going to have to work. Hunter's got another big 'un in front of him in Bobby Brown III and a different kind of defensive tackle in Tershawn Wharton. Chris Brazzell II's got a lot of traffic at his position. Zakee Wheatley has to be better than the chronically underappreciated Nick Scott, and Sam Hecht is a fifth-round rookie at the hardest position on the line to play, who probably doesn't have immediate positional flexibility, and a solid free agent addition in Luke Fortner in front of him. "Fans generally love their draft class as soon as it arrives, because there is no evidence to the contrary yet. Once guys get on the field, the reality begins to creep in, and the seasoned among you remember that if you get three or four good players out of a draft, that was an amazing draft." https://www.panthers.com/news/ask-the-old-guy-things-looking-up-after-the-draft-monroe-freeling-luke-kuechly-bryce-young-derrick-brown Don't get crazy. Winning the draft (or the offseason BTW) on paper always leads to good feelings and great expectations, especially when you seemingly succeeded the season before, but let's remember that the Panthers are very much a work in progress. Team building takes time. If we get a couple of starters out of the draft, it's a good draft, but three or four would be an amazing draft, and anything more than that is actually sensational--even if entails a few multiple high end rotational players along with three starters. Moreover, kind of within that same vein, the coaches have to let the kids off the chain. Remember the coach-speak of past coaches about competition that is anything but because coaches have their notions about veteran experience? Not saying that they're necessarily wrong, but sometimes I think their reluctance to put the young guys out there is based somewhat in dogma or possibly fear because big stakes are on the line (e.g., their jobs). It can be frustrating to say the least, but the coaches are supposed to know best. Again, I say all of this so that we can remember to temper expectations and keep them within the realm of reality. It's like telling your mind to think of it as something akin to under-promising and over-delivering. Leave room to be pleasantly surprised for the best case scenario, but be cognizant that that rarely happens. I would think at this point, most of us should be able to recognize growth when we see it, and sometimes that growth doesn't manifest itself in the form of immediate supremacy, but a setting of the stage for long term dominance for years to come. It seems like we're on track for an emergence by 2028 or 2029. We still have huge questions, but by 2029, hopefully we will take our seat at the table of the perennial contenders in the NFL.  
    • You’re playing madden we’re talking real football stuff…. He does have you seen his special on internet he def thinks he’s getting paid 
    • Without the team having an identity kinda hard to predict what they value.  They either are really trying to build a balanced team, or preparing for another swing at qb if Bryce doesn’t pan out. Seems like we value the o line but the $ spent there has been underwhelming besides Lewis, you could say it’s because of injuries but still hasn’t been worth the investment. as already stated, the whole handling of Bryce young as a whole has been ass backwards, we spent the years we’re supposed to take advantage of having a qb with a lower cap hit, building the team up to be adequate. now It appears, key word appears, the saints have done it correctly, which is painful to even think about. Regardless, I hope the front office has paid attention to qb contracts recently, such as Tua, Kyler, Daniel jones(pre colts) and don’t settle for subpar qb play at franchise qb rates    
×
×
  • Create New...