Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

[LinvilleGorge]

The team doesn't rely solely on the QB position, so far it's relying on either A) the opposing QB having the worst day of his life or B) a backup RB playing like prime Adrian Peterson.

[davos]

I miss the old huddle soooo much, it was so heartwarming and amazing and loving and caring and everything you want in an internet message board.  No one was vitriolic, trolling, spammy, or as$holes.  

I'd love to know TheRealDeal's take these days. Bwood. Chuck. 

True old days scholars 

The debates about QBing in this era where we haven't found a QB in 9 years just upset me too much and makes me really dislike the message board. People are so aggressive at one another. Yuck.  

When there's a nice attempt at a thread to generate conversation, well, those people don't know sh*t.  They're all idiots and we have to tell them they're all idiots.

These are the important things.

[raleigh-panther]

In the coming weeks, BY will have the opportunity to prove his doubters wrong 

We will see if he is capable of executing  his part of the offense to 

1. Beat teams that should be beaten

2. Be competitive, at a minimum,  and beat a few the teams the Panthers shouldnt when it matters 

We will see how he measures up, in year 3

It really is that simple.  

No one on here wants him to fail.  

His  measurables are not historically in his favor

Edited 6 hours ago by raleigh-panther

[DaveThePanther2008]

7 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

This was soooo spot on about everything from the board environment to the QB guru extremist terrible takes. I wish more people on this board would elevate their energy and knowledge so we could have a fun board again. Cheers to better Panther Fan Culture.

I've been a member of this board for over 20 years.  The difference between now and back then is night and day.  This was one of the only forums I knew that you could go a post and read post daily.  It didn't matter whether it was in season and or off-season.  

The posts nowadays are mostly the same topic over and over just spewing hatred of our coach, GM, QB and owner.  Not much good conversation. 

[Jon Snow]

[WUnderhill]

8 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

People wanting a fan message board to not include idiotic hot takes is... wishful thinking, dreaming, wanting and whatever other words you can add to that.

Love seeing OG posters come back though, so I hope you stay. Cheers to a win vs. the Cowboys and as always... KEEP POUNDING.

Yes message boards will always include that sort of stuff… However, this place has been a cess pool since the team took Bryce Young over CJ Stroud. It becomes a problem when it is accepted and promoted, which it has been here (even by at least one mod). Many posters sole purpose on this board is to try to dunk on others for having different opinions. We just had one write a novella on how talking about Bryce Young’s game winning drives “needs to stop”…after a win. They don’t want real conversation. It “needs to stop”. There are many posters here who literally only show up after losses to dead thread and try to dunk on others about the QB (MRenshaw is an easy example). I really don’t see much of that happening the other way around. There’s too many people that would rather the team be bad so they can feel justified for constant doom and gloom and negative opinions. It’s been pointed out by many over the past couple years. This just isn’t a place to have football discussions anymore because of the constant hyperbole. If you don’t subscribe to “Bryce Young is the worst QB ever who can’t throw the ball further than 5 yards and is the reason why we lose any game we lose and doesn’t help in any game we win”, then you are labeled a Bryce Young Stan. 

[CRA]

it's pretty simple IMO.  The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports team in all of sports.  The problem isn't the posters here have changed ( I still content people falsely romanticize the old days).  The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything.  In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo.  Only one entity can actually change that.  It's the Carolina Panthers football team. 

if you are the most unsuccessful professional sports teams (Tepper's Panthers are that).....and a place like this isn't filled with very critical thoughts? Well, you probably don't actually have a real fanbase IMO. 

[WUnderhill]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

it's pretty simple IMO.  The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports in all of sports.  The problem isn't the posters here have changed.  The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything.  In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo.  Only one entity can actually change that.  It's the Carolina Panthers football team. 

We were bad for years before Bryce Young and it wasn’t like this. I didn’t like the Rhule hire, but I didn’t drag the board down every chance I got. I didn’t like letting Cam go and bringing in Teddy, but I didn’t make it my mission in life to make sure everybody who disagreed with me was berated into submission.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

We were bad for years before Bryce Young and it wasn’t like this. I didn’t like the Rhule hire, but I didn’t drag the board down every chance I got. I didn’t like letting Cam go and bringing in Teddy, but I didn’t make it my mission in life to make sure everybody who disagreed with me was berated into submission.

I bet if Teddy was still here today.....how much you disliked bringing him in would be talked about more and differently. 

the years stack.  Unless the Panthers actually start trending the other direction.....talk will remain trending in the direction it has been IMO.   This is the worst window in our history and the board is going to reflect that (which IMO is normal for fan site).  The real issue should be with the guy in my avatar. 

[KSpan]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's pretty simple IMO.  The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports team in all of sports.  The problem isn't the posters here have changed ( I still content people falsely romanticize the old days).  The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything.  In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo.  Only one entity can actually change that.  It's the Carolina Panthers football team. 

if you are the most unsuccessful professional sports teams (Tepper's Panthers are that).....and a place like this isn't filled with very critical thoughts? Well, you probably don't actually have a real fanbase IMO. 

Exactly. Folks are waxing nostalgic about '20 years ago' but 20 years ago was 2005 - 2 years off of the Cardiac Cats Super Bowl run and right in the heart of Fox's on-again-off-again playoff runs, with stars and talent on both sides of the ball. 2010 was rough but it was obvious when Cam joined that he had the talent to elevate things, and even then took only 2 seasons to get to 2013 and the same yo-yo playoff runs. Today, it's been going on 8 years of sheer dumbassery and negligent mismanagement of the team resulting in years of awful, awful football on the field. Not hard at all to understand why cynicism rules the day.

11 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

We were bad for years before Bryce Young and it wasn’t like this. I didn’t like the Rhule hire, but I didn’t drag the board down every chance I got. I didn’t like letting Cam go and bringing in Teddy, but I didn’t make it my mission in life to make sure everybody who disagreed with me was berated into submission.

Sort of, but that #1 pick and the new regime was supposed to turn things around, not make it even worse. Makes complete and perfect sense as to why perception is still negative. Also, some people are still dishing out what the rose-colored-glasses crew spent the 2023 offseason spewing to those who dared suggest that Burns shouldn't be given a giant bag, that Bryce and Reich weren't great choices, etc. 

Edited 5 hours ago by KSpan

[CarolinaLivin]

16 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Yes message boards will always include that sort of stuff… However, this place has been a cess pool since the team took Bryce Young over CJ Stroud. It becomes a problem when it is accepted and promoted, which it has been here (even by at least one mod). Many posters sole purpose on this board is to try to dunk on others for having different opinions. We just had one write a novella on how talking about Bryce Young’s game winning drives “needs to stop”…after a win. They don’t want real conversation. It “needs to stop”. There are many posters here who literally only show up after losses to dead thread and try to dunk on others about the QB (MRenshaw is an easy example). I really don’t see much of that happening the other way around. There’s too many people that would rather the team be bad so they can feel justified for constant doom and gloom and negative opinions. It’s been pointed out by many over the past couple years. This just isn’t a place to have football discussions anymore because of the constant hyperbole. If you don’t subscribe to “Bryce Young is the worst QB ever who can’t throw the ball further than 5 yards and is the reason why we lose any game we lose and doesn’t help in any game we win”, then you are labeled a Bryce Young Stan. 

I say just ignore those posts/threads. Let them die on the vine. Don't give it attention. Add to the good, not the bad. Help those that don't know as much, know more. In short, you can have football discussions here. Some just have non-football discussions and others join in. Ignore it and keep the football conversation going. No one here has to make anyone sound like an idiot. People can do that on their own. Let idiotic comments sit there like a trophy for all to see.

[HPPanther]

That was a brilliant post.  For me (and only me) I have seen enough of BY to think that there could be a huge upside to what can be done here with the current coaching staff.  I am going to be pulling for him like heck and (obviously) these next 11 games will determine his/and our future.  

It's just dang nice to be 3-3 and have a chance to win a road game this weekend!

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

 I bet if Teddy was still here today.....how much you disliked bringing him in would be talked about more and differently. 

 

My god, bringing in Teddy was one of the most limp, milquetoast moves that the franchise could have made in that scenario and just went to show how out of touch Rhule and company were with the NFL. Plenty here knew that was case as well. Blech.

[cranky]

9 hours ago, fieryprophet said:

What's up gents, the OGs remember me, the guy who single-handedly gave the Panthers the greatest uniform in history moniker. Not too long after that I got involved with Pro Football Focus (pre-Collinsworth acquisition) and ended up taking backseat here to preserve some objectivity. But from a distance I noticed a lot.

After the end of the Cam era this place devolved into the most un-fun, petty, negative cesspool of whining and bitching that has ever graced the internet. The worst part of it all is that the level of discussion turned into the most ill-informed, hot-take, unnuanced crap, rife with people talking out of their posteriors as if they have any clue about what they are watching. Once you get into the professional side of the sport and actual film rooms, you start to understand there's an absurd number of moving parts to pretty much every snap and the details you are privy to are truly only half the picture.

The absolute most important thing I learned from being part of professional level football analysis is that quarterbacking is literally the most intricate and difficult position in all of professional sports, and that the NFL itself is struggling to develop any workable model that allows them to understand what makes one succeed vs what makes one fail. Because of this paradox it has also made the quarterback position itself grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries that inevitably cause even elite teams to lose key talent all to pour cash into the one player supposed to be able to single-handedly elevate the entire team (and defense and special teams and coaching and ownership by some mysterious proxy), yet without those same players even talented teams can wander the wilderness searching for the right guy to take advantage of their talent window.

The discussions the last few years around Bryce has personified this insanity, as this board has devolved into some sort of electronic civil war between the hyperbolic Young supporters and the vitriolic Bryce haters. The reality, like practically everything in this world, is somewhere in the middle. He has traits that can absolutely elevate a team with creativity, play recognition, off-arm angle throws, mental toughness, etc. He's also physically limited, with mostly "good-enough" qualities for most situations that a professional quarterback is asked to do, and will never be an overpowering physical force like pre-injury Cam. But "good-enough" physicality represents a large majority of championship-winning quarterbacks, even in the modern era. There's a reason the corpse of Peyton Manning took the chip from elite physical specimen Cam, because the team surrounding him was talented enough to get him there, while we all know Cam was the driving force of that 2015 team. That's no knock on him, that's just how the game of football tends to work: the more complete team usually wins.

The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team.

If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.

Hate to tell you but the haters are gonna hate around here. No amount of logic or facts will change that. They never wanted him and will gladly watch the Panthers go down in flames to prove they are right.