Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

[ProcessBlue2]

Need to see the season play out. But if I had to choose today it would be no. 

[strato]

Okay I think they get to this at 10:30 

I can’t link it to start at that place for some reason. 
 Anyhow it isn’t the most awful thing but in the moment it got my attention. These local radio people are generally loathe to call Young out the way they did here. 

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[Basbear]

If you take away the trade and the fact he was #1 overall, it makes it sooooooo easier.

That's the hard part. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I just don't see this turning into a franchise QB situation with his wild inconsistency. 

The offense has gotten better but it's been more not as a result of him than as a result of him. 

Totally disagree. Listen to his teammates. He is the glue that keeps the offense together. He has the confidence to Keep Pounding. If you listened to him miked up against Miami you could see him willing his teammates to stay positive which mushroomed when he lead the comeback after burying us early with errors. You can see how hard his teammates fight for him and the team. He is the heart of the offense which as a QB is his biggest job as a leader.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but this is the Kyle Allen argument. The eye test for Allen was rough even during the "Baby GOAT" streak. To an extent Bryce is similar. The eye test isn't the best even in these wins. TO's, missed throws, missed reads, etc. However, he has definitely made some good to great throws too. They are just too few and far between 

Luckily, we've got more games ahead to watch and see what happens. Maybe he keeps growing his game, maybe we see that he's topped out when we hit stiffer competition. Or maybe he flames out against a team he should well be able to beat like the Jets this weekend.

I really can't tell where all of this will end. I can say, though, there's no reason to hit the kid at the moment. Let him roll for as long as he can. 

Heck, Sam Darnold is setting the league on fire right now, along with Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones. Examples of guys mired in bad coaching on bad teams (sometimes our own) that hit their stride just as a team did. Maybe we're about to get lucky. 

I do know one thing. The biggest change in a winning Bryce and a losing Bryce is that when he plays fearlessly, he is a hell of a competitor. When he gets scared, and he has so many times, it all just falls apart for him and no team can save him. Bravery makes the difference and it comes from believing in not just himself, but his line, his receivers, his running back and the play calling. Just like most young QBs.

And quite a few of the old ones. Rodgers couldn't make it in the chaos of the Jets situation. He can in Pittsburgh, so it seems. 

[jfra78]

I can get behind Bryce if his "good games" were more consistent.  Having to wait till game 6 every year to see a good game from Bryce is a recipe for disaster.  He had a good game last week and I hope he builds on it, but I'm not expecting it

[cranky]

1 hour ago, Luciu5 said:

He has shown he can pull off some high end throws and be clutch in some situations. He has been really inconsistent and turnovers are his biggest issue. I think his turnovers are mostly happenning due to his size and not being able to see the field clearly in a condensed pocket.

I think he will be an NFL starter in this league for awhile if he can find the right situation and staff. I am not certain if Canales can be that guy for Bryce, but we have seen some positive signs with this, such as week 18 last year and week 6 this year.

I don't put much stock in year 1. It seems like that coaching staff was a mess and I don't know if they just didn't want Bryce, but I get the impression they didn't even try to make it work with him.

The tl,dr version of this is simply, I think he has the potential to be a better player than Sam Darnold currently is. I think the most likely scenario is he finds success on another team.

"turnovers are his biggest issue. I think his turnovers are mostly happenning due to his size and not being able to see the field clearly in a condensed pocket"

They're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. If you look at just his last 17 games, he has 11 ints and 5 fumbles. That's on 518 drop backs so about 3.08% of his dropbacks resulted in a turnover.

Newton in his second year had 15 turnovers on 485 attempts so he was also right at 3.09% as well.

Baker Mayfield 4.3%

Sam Darnold 3.6%

Drew Brees 3.06%

Andy Dalton 3.78%

So I don't think it's fair to say he has a problem with turnovers, at least not when comparing him to other starting QBs in their second year

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

"turnovers are his biggest issue. I think his turnovers are mostly happenning due to his size and not being able to see the field clearly in a condensed pocket"

They're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. If you look at just his last 17 games, he has 11 ints and 5 fumbles. That's on 518 drop backs so about 3.08% of his dropbacks resulted in a turnover.

Newton in his second year had 15 turnovers on 485 attempts so he was also right at 3.09% as well.

Baker Mayfield 4.3%

Sam Darnold 3.6%

Drew Brees 3.06%

Andy Dalton 3.78%

So I don't think it's fair to say he has a problem with turnovers, at least not when comparing him to other starting QBs in their second year

Why would you cherry pick a number of games and lay it out vs other players 2nd year?  Seems disingenuous.  

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, cranky said:

"turnovers are his biggest issue. I think his turnovers are mostly happenning due to his size and not being able to see the field clearly in a condensed pocket"

They're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. If you look at just his last 17 games, he has 11 ints and 5 fumbles. That's on 518 drop backs so about 3.08% of his dropbacks resulted in a turnover.

Newton in his second year had 15 turnovers on 485 attempts so he was also right at 3.09% as well.

Baker Mayfield 4.3%

Sam Darnold 3.6%

Drew Brees 3.06%

Andy Dalton 3.78%

So I don't think it's fair to say he has a problem with turnovers, at least not when comparing him to other starting QBs in their second year

Those QBs were also playing much more aggressive and accounting for more offensive production.  Thats got to be part of a turnover convo.  
 

Brett Favre having 15 INTs and Bridgewater having 15 INTs aren’t going to represent the same in reality 

[OldhamA]

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Need an option between the door is still open and the door is closed. 

A fence?

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

A fence?

It's like when you thought you closed the backdoor but somehow you find it open and you can't seem to get it to stay shut. 

[cranky]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

Those QBs were also playing much more aggressive and accounting for more offensive production.  Thats got to be part of a turnover convo.  
 

Brett Favre having 15 INTs and Bridgewater having 15 INTs aren’t going to represent the same in reality 

First off the point is his turnover percentage is no worse than any in that list so saying he has too many turnovers is simply not accurate - at least when compared to others. Secondly, you'll have to show me something to prove the aggresive and accounting part. It's just your opinion at this point to me. 

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Clarity

[OldhamA]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Option 2 for me

He’s only 24 years old and this organization set him up to fail horribly from day 1

Seems like there may be a light at the end of tunnel all of a sudden but until I see this organization turn it around and see Bryce with a proper team around him I don’t want to see them ship him off 

Option 4 for me.

I would love to play against Bryce Young every week. 

[frankw]

It's looking like option 3 but if Bryce and the team can string together some hard nosed football resulting in wins on the road maybe that could be subject to change. I mean that would be best case scenario all around because even if we draft another QB or target a vet nothing is ever guaranteed. But that's really the only way there's a path forward for him here. Can't compete for anything of note or significance if you only play well at home. Bryce this season will either lead us to relevancy or back to the drawing board. That's it.