How long do you feel it takes for a head coach to turn a team around?

[WarPanthers89]

With so many examples of coaches coming in and changing the culture very quickly, I wonder what most of you think. I’m not sure we can confidently say Canalas has that ability, yet for the most part the majority of fans believe we will see a year 3 from Canalas. How long do you feel like coaches should get to prove that they have the ability to turn a team around? Look at this clip and tell me you don’t see a difference in cultures. Yes I know we are improving on wins, but do you feel like it is real changes that will lead to long term success, or fools gold for a middle of the road result coach?
 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTrh7UpPw/

[Jmac]

Canales maybe to soft. If Mr. Rodgers was a football coach, then we got him. Have the feeling he doesn't like confrontation and avoids it if at all possible. 

That's just to fuggin' bad because when your dealing with highly paid athletes with egos, it's gonna happen. Lay down the law and do what needs to be done. 

[MRenshaw]

With a serviceable QB, a good or great coach can turn it around within two or three years. With a historically horrible QB? That's like trying to sprint uphill with a F-150 chained to your waist. This is why I reserve my judgement on Canales. He might be a good or great coach, or he may be a bad coach, but we just can't know with Bryce at QB, which is also why I think Reich deserves a reassessment on his brief stint here, but that's water under the bridge. Going forward, it'd be insanely stupid to allow Bryce to kill yet another coach so soon after Reich. Then again, this organization under Tepper has proven anything but sane and competent. Case in point, they traded the farm to draft a midget with a noodle arm to be the QB. 

Edited 54 minutes ago by MRenshaw

[PadresPanthersFan]

It kind of depends on the situation. Ben Johnson fell into a great spot with a good young first round qb, a stud vet wr (moore) a stud young wr ( odunze) a solid young te ( kmet) and a solid d and a haul of picks

Canales got an empty cupboard with debt and a huge bust at the most important position. But by year 3 we should have a foundation built, a present were happy with and a future to look forward to. 

[Tr3ach]

I think he has started to build a culture here.  I think if we had a qb with no limitations we would be seeing a lot more with the offense.  I think most of the coaches that come in and instantly win went to teams that were underachieving previously based on roster talent level.  Based on our roster talent,  we werent underachieving,  we were just bad.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, WarPanthers89 said:

With so many examples of coaches coming in and changing the culture very quickly, I wonder what most of you think. I’m not sure we can confidently say Canalas has that ability, yet for the most part the majority of fans believe we will see a year 3 from Canalas. How long do you feel like coaches should get to prove that they have the ability to turn a team around? Look at this clip and tell me you don’t see a difference in cultures. Yes I know we are improving on wins, but do you feel like it is real changes that will lead to long term success, or fools gold for a middle of the road result coach?
 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTrh7UpPw/

1. fug TikTak, I ain't clicking that stupid poo.

2.

This is really very situationally dependent. Coaching is a huge part but sometimes you step into a scenario where a lot of building needs to happen that is largely out of your control.

Recent examples(Last season's hiring cycle):

1. Ben Johnson

Johnson chose the OVERWHELMINGLY best open coaching job due to a combination of solid ownership, a solid front office and the most talented roster of the open jobs from that cycle. Negatives were, insanely stacked division. Results have so far indicated that this coaching change has been a massive boost.

2. Mike Vrabel

Vrabel went a different direction. He went to a franchise that has solid ownership, a mediocre front office and one of the worst rosters in the NFL. However, he has a track record of NFL head coaching success AND lucked into one of the easiest schedules in NFL history(I believe 3rd easiest). Even with that caveat, a clear indicator that coaching has been a huge boost.

3. Pete Carroll

Carroll chose one of the NFL's most volatile franchises. Notoriously bad ownership, very bad front office and a terrible roster. But, Carroll is a HOF caliber NFL HC with success at every stop. At the moment, coaching has not been able to overcome the apparent obstacles. In fact, it's been a complete disaster to the extent that Carroll has already fired multiple coaches. One could certainly argue that pethaps Pete has lost his touch but regardless, this coaching change didn't result in a turnaround and Carroll's future there seems in doubt.

4. Aaron Glenn

Glenn's first HC opportunity was a doozy. Near worst ownership, a mediocre front office(at best) and a talented core group of players on an underwhelming roster. This experiment has been quite the ride to date. Glenn's personnel decisions have seemingly led to multiple close game losses(2-5 in games decided by one score or less) and the FO decided to have a roster firesale prior to the trade deadline for a wealth of draft capital. The question will be if Glenn will be given the time to actually see this future draft capital realized, now that a significant chunk of the talented core is not longer there. Coaching has not made a difference but is the franchise now setting him up to fail further?

5. Liam Coen

Coen picked a mixed bag. Terrible ownership, a remade front office he essentially had a hand in selecting(or at the miminum influenced) and a middling roster. The early results show promise even if the roster shows significant flaws(and Coen shows visible frustration with his "franchise" QB every Sunday). Could be close to turning a 4 win team into a playoff berth. Coaching has mattered.

6. Brian Schottenheimer

This was resoundingly viewed as a bad hire but it's also under challenging circumstances. Bad ownership in the sense that the ownership is also the front office, a future Tepper dream I assume. Very talented but very flawed roster. The initial results have been...interesting. A Cowboys team that was a bad 7-10 after a previous streak of three 12 win seasons is now....mediocre? Couple that with wild roster changes prior to the start of the season and up to the trade deadline and it makes for an incomplete picture. It's not much progress but it doesn’t appear to be regressing either. TBD.

6. Kellen Moore

Moore chose the most challenging of all openings. The Saints are in the midst of a simulateous roster teardown and attempted rebuild. Decent ownership, a mixed bag in the front office(great at evaluating draft talent, less so in free agency and in salary cap management). The Saints have been awful but, they were expected to be awful. To that note, they were net sellers before the trade deadline. It was reported that Moore secured an agreement that this is long term building effort prior to taking the position so his status seems safe even while the team flounders week to week. Difficult to grade this now as the entire scenario seems to be a long term strategy. TBD.

Edited 23 minutes ago by kungfoodude

[csx]

Canales has his msjor issue not doing the obvious regarding running Dowdle but with an average QB we would be in the playoffs with an average QB. 

[OneBadCat]

Canales has the team competitive and unless we lost out he will have improved our record this year by a good margin. It's obvious we're being held back at QB.

[KillaCamNewton]

We hired a guy that had 1 year of coordinator experience and we currently are in the playoff race going into December after 1 full season despite having the worst starting QB in football and people are already ready to cut bait LOL

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, csx said:

Canales has his msjor issue not doing the obvious regarding running Dowdle but with an average QB we would be in the playoffs with an average QB. 

I will give that a "maybe."

Very much not convinced on Canales.