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Would you swap keeping Burns for Horn?

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Burns quit on his team, full stop. Burns was and continues to be a liability in the run. 
 

JC has never looked this bad before the concussion. He always was a very solid tackler, from what I remember.  I’ll take the overall body of his work over his current down stretch. I’ve never had to question his heart. The FO has royally screwed up roster management in many other deals but retaining Horn continues to be the right move. He will be back to form next season. 

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17 hours ago, hepcat said:

Title says it all, if you could get swap Jaycee Horn for Brian Burns would you do it?

You should never make a strength weaker, just to make a weakness not as weak.

When we had Burns and Jaycee was hurt, teams would just run 3 step drops or run directly at BB.

With Jaycee staying healthier we get 5 Ints and a few coverage sacks along the way.  Jaycee also has been sent on blitzes with success.

It would be nice to have Burns… and CMC… and DJ… but I digress, the answer is no.

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5 hours ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Burns quit on his team, full stop. Burns was and continues to be a liability in the run. 
 

JC has never looked this bad before the concussion. He always was a very solid tackler, from what I remember.  I’ll take the overall body of his work over his current down stretch. I’ve never had to question his heart. The FO has royally screwed up roster management in many other deals but retaining Horn continues to be the right move. He will be back to form next season. 

Burns did kind of quit on us. I forgot about that. 

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I'd probably say yes - primarily because when Burns messed up he just overran the QB again - he missed making a game changing play.
Horn - at least the last few games - has really hurt us with penalties, dropped INT, and getting beat regularly when the other team needed a first down or a score.  

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I laugh when I see the terms “elite”and “Top 5” attached to Horn.. He’s neither.. 

He was a mistake pick. Should have been Parsons.. but if you were hell bent on a CB, Surtain was the guy.

Forget about the awful facemask penalty.. Look at the Saints games.. Mr. 70 million guaranteed got smoked like a ham in both games.. the Game of BoA he was atrocious- penalties and was primary coverage on two TD’s. The game in NO Olive ate his lunch. “Shutdown” CB’s don’t let that happen. 

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11 minutes ago, RevJ said:

I'd probably say yes - primarily because when Burns messed up he just overran the QB again - he missed making a game changing play.
Horn - at least the last few games - has really hurt us with penalties, dropped INT, and getting beat regularly when the other team needed a first down or a score.  

Burns hurt us ample times by loafing and being a nonfactor. You don't have the benefits attributed to having an elite pass rusher when they disappear from games.

Horn has lapses but has had far longer stretches of very good to elite play than Burns ever has.

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6 minutes ago, trueblue said:

I laugh when I see the terms “elite”and “Top 5” attached to Horn.. He’s neither.. 

He was a mistake pick. Should have been Parsons.. but if you were hell bent on a CB, Surtain was the guy.

Forget about the awful facemask penalty.. Look at the Saints games.. Mr. 70 million guaranteed got smoked like a ham in both games.. the Game of BoA he was atrocious- penalties and was primary coverage on two TD’s. The game in NO Olive ate his lunch. “Shutdown” CB’s don’t let that happen. 

If you look at a lot of their career statistics, Horn isn't far behind Surtain. I think Surtain is a far more sure tackler and is beaten badly a lot less often. Horn produces more INT's but also get beat pretty badly more frequently. 

Surtain fits the "shutdown" mold. In this defense Horn is a little bit more of a gambling/Josh Norman type CB. 

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