Lowest Yards Per Completion...All Time.

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, strato said:

Knowing that Frank played and coached NFL quarterback his entire adult life. And he was built for it. I can only get to one viewpoint of what he would think of Bryce and the NFL game.

I’d love to have some of the conversations between him and Tepper leak but they never will. 
 

 

 

 

Someone needs to bug that office

[strato]

23 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Classic armchair QB, backseat driving.  Trying to insinuate that is was easy and obvious to see Bryce would struggle in the NFL based on his college career.  

Most had him at 1 or 2 overall and I think I'd be very safe to say every team had him evaluated as a high 1st round pick.

None of that really means poo but acting like it supports the "Truth" about Bryce is just disingenuous.

I really like Bryce but I'm not blind. I can see the inconsistent play and problems but I also see more and more examples of elite play.  

The best course of action is to pick up his option because of the shown continuing improvement (overall and independent of draft expectations), youth of the offense coaching staff and players.  Also, the lack of a better option in FA or next years draft.  

I look it a little like poker.  This team lead by Canales and Young is the best hand we've been dealt in a decade.  I'm calling the bet but I'm not ready to raise.  I wanna see the river card first.  Stupid to fold this hand too soon.

It was obvious to me. I said so, loudly. Not even based on his college tape but his horrible mechanics and weak arm, clearly visible on his pro day (yes it is weak for the NFL). 

 And struggle he did. Three years in, he is still struggling. Big surprise, the way to beat the Panthers is stop their run game and make Bryce beat you.  

You want to ride that little pair of threes into the river you will need a life jacket. 

[Jmac]

I think Young has totally killed the idea of drafting undersized QB's and hoping it works. Especially at such a high pick and putting all your cards on the table. He won't last in this league.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Classic armchair QB, backseat driving.  Trying to insinuate that is was easy and obvious to see Bryce would struggle in the NFL based on his college career.  

Most had him at 1 or 2 overall and I think I'd be very safe to say every team had him evaluated as a high 1st round pick.

None of that really means poo but acting like it supports the "Truth" about Bryce is just disingenuous.

I really like Bryce but I'm not blind. I can see the inconsistent play and problems but I also see more and more examples of elite play.  

The best course of action is to pick up his option because of the shown continuing improvement (overall and independent of draft expectations), youth of the offense coaching staff and players.  Also, the lack of a better option in FA or next years draft.  

I look it a little like poker.  This team lead by Canales and Young is the best hand we've been dealt in a decade.  I'm calling the bet but I'm not ready to raise.  I wanna see the river card first.  Stupid to fold this hand too soon.

lololololololololololol

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Classic armchair QB, backseat driving.  Trying to insinuate that is was easy and obvious to see Bryce would struggle in the NFL based on his college career.  

Most had him at 1 or 2 overall and I think I'd be very safe to say every team had him evaluated as a high 1st round pick.

None of that really means poo but acting like it supports the "Truth" about Bryce is just disingenuous.

I really like Bryce but I'm not blind. I can see the inconsistent play and problems but I also see more and more examples of elite play.  

The best course of action is to pick up his option because of the shown continuing improvement (overall and independent of draft expectations), youth of the offense coaching staff and players.  Also, the lack of a better option in FA or next years draft.  

I look it a little like poker.  This team lead by Canales and Young is the best hand we've been dealt in a decade.  I'm calling the bet but I'm not ready to raise.  I wanna see the river card first.  Stupid to fold this hand too soon.

This was easy to call. No QB 5’10 or under has had a long term career as a starting QB in 60 years. There’s been over 1,000 QBs over 60 years. Bryce has a .1% chance of being a success based on that statistic alone. Bryce is not the same height as Murray. Standing side by side it’s obvious he’s shorter. And his physical prowess wasn’t his strength, it was his mental capability. That hasn’t been up to snuff either. The player we drafted had to defy 60 years of QB history. We sold the house and tried to win big at the casino. The odds were always against us winning this deal. 
 

 

[mav1234]

22 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

This was easy to call. No QB 5’10 or under has had a long term career as a starting QB in 60 years. There’s been over 1,000 QBs over 60 years. Bryce has a .1% chance of being a success based on that statistic alone. Bryce is not the same height as Murray. Standing side by side it’s obvious he’s shorter. And his physical prowess wasn’t his strength, it was his mental capability. That hasn’t been up to snuff either. The player we drafted had to defy 60 years of QB history. We sold the house and tried to win big at the casino. The odds were always against us winning this deal. 
 

 

Man Murray is just flat out bigger. He may only be an inch or two taller but damn is he clearly built differently.

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Man Murray is just flat out bigger. He may only be an inch or two taller but damn is he clearly built differently.

One of the biggest concerns some of us had was can he see over linemen in a tight pocket. If he’s 1-2 inches shorter than Murray, and he sure looks it, his sight level is 5’3 to 5’4. Shoulder height for NFL linemen in pads is going to be 5’6 to 5’8. 

[fanpanther]

i am just ready to c a different qb....other qbs may suck but at least i will have a little hope all my coach killa hope is gone jimmy clausen level gone

[Candler Cat]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

One of the biggest concerns some of us had was can he see over linemen in a tight pocket. If he’s 1-2 inches shorter than Murray, and he sure looks it, his sight level is 5’3 to 5’4. Shoulder height for NFL linemen in pads is going to be 5’6 to 5’8. 

He needs the oline to open passing lanes so he can see, otherwise the pocket is no good even if it's clean 

[MechaZain]

So much revisionist history around the pre-draft Bryce hype. The media was practically united in saying that if he were a couple inches taller he'd be the perfect prospect and it was just a question of whether he'd hold up in the NFL being that small. The Panthers did not create the mythos around him they were just the team that bought in. The team was largely praised for the move after and for surrounding him with what was considered an all-star coaching staff at the time. 

Yeah part of the fanbase wanted Stroud but let's be real, we're coming from an oversized franchise QB who injured himself out the league. There was some analysis here on the limitations of Bryce's game but people were mostly just concerned he was going to turn into dust when he got sacked in the NFL.

Edited 5 hours ago by MechaZain

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

So much revisionist history around the pre-draft Bryce hype. The media was practically united in saying that if he were a couple inches taller he'd be the perfect prospect and it was just a question of whether he'd hold up in the NFL being that small. The Panthers did not create the mythos around him they were just the team that bought in. The team was largely praised for the move after and for surrounding him with what was considered an all-star coaching staff at the time. 

Yeah part of the fanbase wanted Stroud but let's be real, we're coming from an oversized franchise QB who injured himself out the league. There was some analysis here on the limitations of Bryce's game but people were mostly just concerned he was going to turn into dust when he got sacked in the NFL.

When Parcell’s said Bryce better “walk on water”…..the implied concern wasn’t that the tiny QB could survive being hit.  It was acknowledging he would have to be extremely special to overcome the handicaps he would face at this level.  Which he isn’t and can’t. 

which isn’t just being hit.  It’s being able to play in an NFL pocket and make NFL throws from it….and that ultimately is Bryce’s problem.  He doesn’t play well from a NFL pocket and can’t make all the throws as needed.  He can’t see as others can.  Which impacts the throws he does and doesn’t take.  It also impacts him bailing and killing plays and turning them into scrambles/dead plays 

[MechaZain]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

When Parcell’s said Bryce better “walk on water”…..the implied concern wasn’t that the tiny QB could survive being hit.  It was acknowledging he would have to be extremely special to overcome the handicaps he would face at this level.  Which he isn’t and can’t 

Or if you're going to bet the farm on a small guy who will get rocked by NFL players on a regular basis he better be special. That's what I heard.

Regardless, him being vague about it is kind of my point. Few in the media raised any concerns about Bryce's game outright. His passing ability was highly praised across the board even after Stroud had the more impressive Pro Day. There was the dumb debate around batted balls that eventually got squashed and I remember some game tape blogger types talking about his poor footwork, but even that was hand-waved away because he was a "dynamic playmaker" and we had a respected coaching staff that could fix him.

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, MechaZain said:

So much revisionist history around the pre-draft Bryce hype. The media was practically united in saying that if he were a couple inches taller he'd be the perfect prospect and it was just a question of whether he'd hold up in the NFL being that small. The Panthers did not create the mythos around him they were just the team that bought in. The team was largely praised for the move after and for surrounding him with what was considered an all-star coaching staff at the time. 

Yeah part of the fanbase wanted Stroud but let's be real, we're coming from an oversized franchise QB who injured himself out the league. There was some analysis here on the limitations of Bryce's game but people were mostly just concerned he was going to turn into dust when he got sacked in the NFL.

Umm plenty of people were calling him out: height, weight, durability, arm, legs and footwork. Lots didn't know on Stroud but it was an easy call IMO in comparison. Mostly I hated the trade, the hires and the way the crew was proceeding. Failure upon conception really. After the Rhule years it was pretty infuriating all around personally. 

It always come back to the media hype and if this isn't proof that that is mostly noise I don't know what else could convince anyone.

[TylerDurden]

16 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

This was easy to call. No QB 5’10 or under has had a long term career as a starting QB in 60 years. There’s been over 1,000 QBs over 60 years. Bryce has a .1% chance of being a success based on that statistic alone. Bryce is not the same height as Murray. Standing side by side it’s obvious he’s shorter. And his physical prowess wasn’t his strength, it was his mental capability. That hasn’t been up to snuff either. The player we drafted had to defy 60 years of QB history. We sold the house and tried to win big at the casino. The odds were always against us winning this deal. 
 

 

Russ worked.  I still vote Doug Flutie as a competent, sometimes really good starter when he came back from the CFL - and I maintain, I think he could’ve been that without going to the CFL, part of why he didn’t was because of the stigma the NFL has against smaller QBs to begin with.  But, both Flutie and Russ had above average to excellent athletic traits - be it arm strength, strength, elusiveness, etc.  and Kyler could’ve been right up there with him if he cared about football as much as he does Call of Duty and streaming.  
 

the difference between those guys and Bryce?  Again, Bryce has almost zero desirable athletic traits you would want in an NFL QB.  He is below average in every category. And then to boot, as you said, if you’re below average in EVERYTHING physical, you HAVE to be damn near the best mentally and processing - and he proved to be even subpar in that category.  All of that to say, I will NEVER understand what anyone in our organization saw in him to not only draft him, but to trade up to do so and then give him 3 whole years to stink it up.