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So I was on reddit and came across a thread that stated he had almost identical stats to Josh Norman in '15. I don't think he's on Jno's level but he was def looking like the best corner on this team since Seattle imo. If he played a whole season with that momentum he'd be a first team All pro. And speaking of AP....bear w/ me.

Norman '15 (1st Team AP) vs Jackson '25 vs Horn '25 (100 mil (Pro Bowl):

4 ints vs 4 ints vs 5 ints

18 PBUs vs 19 PBUs vs 8 PBUs

56 tackles vs 68 tackles vs 37 tackles

3 FF vs 1 FF vs 0 FFs

Yards Allowed

513 vs 610 vs 289

Passer Rating: 

58% vs 73% vs 78.8%

Targets:

58 vs 90 vs 48 

Receptions Allowed: 

27 vs 50 vs 34

Coverage grade: **PFF 

87.8 vs 80.9 vs 63.5

Final grade:... ***PFF

Norman: 83.7 (3rd highest rated corner)

Jackson: 81.7 (3rd highest in the league)

Horn: 59.4 (69th out of 114 corners)

All that said, do we extend Jackson at this current point betting he can replicate or do we wait until his contract year(next year)? Again mind you, Horn already took 100 Mill. 

 Or would you let guy walk and look for cheaper options? 

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1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think you gotta let him walk after next year most likely.  He had a great season but I don't think he's someone you necessarily build around.

It would be foolish to let him walk. Horn had two concussions and has a history of injury. When you consider he was a terrible tackler before, you have to prepare for issues with him in the future. I would not be surprised if he misses multiple games again next season and actually gets worse with his tackling as he will NOT be looking to hit hard.

As good as Horn is, depending on him to consistently play is foolish at this point. Hell, another concussion and he may call it quits. Luke and Jewel did.

 

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The thing with Norman is QBs pretty much stopped looking to throw to his side pretty early that season. 

He was elite that season and neither of these guys are close to that level. 

However Mike Jack is better than given credit for. I feel like Horn is over rated. 

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He head a great year, but he turns 30 next year.  He also played in a mostly zone scheme on the opposite side of the field from Horn.  I remember Evero mentioning he doesn't use Horn in man as much because he needs him to cover a large portion of the field while the others handle the rest.  As long as we have this much money tied up in Horn, I don't think you can spend too much on the other CB.  Hell I like what I saw from Thornton in his limited snaps.  

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I love what he did, but we won't be able to keep him after next year.  The fact that Horn doesn't get targeted very often tells you who the opposition gameplans around. 

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1 hour ago, cranky said:

It would be foolish to let him walk. Horn had two concussions and has a history of injury. When you consider he was a terrible tackler before, you have to prepare for issues with him in the future. I would not be surprised if he misses multiple games again next season and actually gets worse with his tackling as he will NOT be looking to hit hard.

As good as Horn is, depending on him to consistently play is foolish at this point. Hell, another concussion and he may call it quits. Luke and Jewel did.

 

Don’t know if it’s to that level yet but is definitely concerning. We have no word on how Horn is doing either.  Hard to be an optimist around that.

 Seems like they become more frequent and pretty soon you are not long for the field of play. 



 

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4 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

So I was on reddit and came across a thread that stated he had almost identical stats to Josh Norman in '15. I don't think he's on Jno's level but he was def looking like the best corner on this team since Seattle imo. If he played a whole season with that momentum he'd be a first team All pro. And speaking of AP....bear w/ me.

Norman '15 (1st Team AP) vs Jackson '25 vs Horn '25 (100 mil (Pro Bowl):

4 ints vs 4 ints vs 5 ints

18 PBUs vs 19 PBUs vs 8 PBUs

56 tackles vs 68 tackles vs 37 tackles

3 FF vs 1 FF vs 0 FFs

Yards Allowed

513 vs 610 vs 289

Passer Rating: 

58% vs 73% vs 78.8%

Targets:

58 vs 90 vs 48 

Receptions Allowed: 

27 vs 50 vs 34

Coverage grade: **PFF 

87.8 vs 80.9 vs 63.5

Final grade:... ***PFF

Norman: 83.7 (3rd highest rated corner)

Jackson: 81.7 (3rd highest in the league)

Horn: 59.4 (69th out of 114 corners)

All that said, do we extend Jackson at this current point betting he can replicate or do we wait until his contract year(next year)? Again mind you, Horn already took 100 Mill. 

 Or would you let guy walk and look for cheaper options? 

JNO pretty much shut down half the field that year. He would have had much more ints and PBUs if QBs didn't look the other way.  QB passer rating really shows what happened

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It sounds crazy, but I would trade Jaycee while his stock was high. If we keep Evero you don’t need a guy like Jaycee in his scheme, it’s a waste. I would keep Jackson a year or two and just keep the position stocked with average guys there. There is so little man coverage in this scheme it won’t matter. You could get an absolute haul for Jaycee with little downside. Plus his injury history is shaky.

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8 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

So I was on reddit and came across a thread that stated he had almost identical stats to Josh Norman in '15. I don't think he's on Jno's level but he was def looking like the best corner on this team since Seattle imo. If he played a whole season with that momentum he'd be a first team All pro. And speaking of AP....bear w/ me.

Norman '15 (1st Team AP) vs Jackson '25 vs Horn '25 (100 mil (Pro Bowl):

4 ints vs 4 ints vs 5 ints

18 PBUs vs 19 PBUs vs 8 PBUs

56 tackles vs 68 tackles vs 37 tackles

3 FF vs 1 FF vs 0 FFs

Yards Allowed

513 vs 610 vs 289

Passer Rating: 

58% vs 73% vs 78.8%

Targets:

58 vs 90 vs 48 

Receptions Allowed: 

27 vs 50 vs 34

Coverage grade: **PFF 

87.8 vs 80.9 vs 63.5

Final grade:... ***PFF

Norman: 83.7 (3rd highest rated corner)

Jackson: 81.7 (3rd highest in the league)

Horn: 59.4 (69th out of 114 corners)

All that said, do we extend Jackson at this current point betting he can replicate or do we wait until his contract year(next year)? Again mind you, Horn already took 100 Mill. 

 Or would you let guy walk and look for cheaper options? 

Hes 1 year in to a 2 year contract. No need to extend or worry about letting walk now.

Get these corners some pash rush.

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