PFF Best Deep Ball Thrower Award

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Why, you have to ask, would PFF skew the stats in such a way to get Bryce at the top of a list. Honestly, they didn't. That's just how the stats shook out. Probably because Bryce took fewer deep pass opportunities than most other starting QBs, but on the rare opportunities he took, he did quite well.

And that fits in with what an unbiased eye might see out of Bryce and Canales right now... Developing starter QB, developing offensive identity. Which is probably what we have. You and I don't know the calls on each play. We can't see what Bryce sees (or can't see) from the pocket. But a group that watches and grades every play for basically every player looked down at their stat calculations and went: "Would you look at that? Who would have thunk it?"

Just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative doesn't make it false.

Here's the real data.

 

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Why, you have to ask, would PFF skew the stats in such a way to get Bryce at the top of a list. Honestly, they didn't. That's just how the stats shook out. Probably because Bryce took fewer deep pass opportunities than most other starting QBs, but on the rare opportunities he took, he did quite well.

And that fits in with what an unbiased eye might see out of Bryce and Canales right now... Developing starter QB, developing offensive identity. Which is probably what we have. You and I don't know the calls on each play. We can't see what Bryce sees (or can't see) from the pocket. But a group that watches and grades every play for basically every player looked down at their stat calculations and went: "Would you look at that? Who would have thunk it?"

Just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative doesn't make it false.

Lol.  Sure thing buddy

[OldhamA]

11 hours ago, trucpfan said:

How is this possible what does this mean for the future is he really able to preform at this high of a level or is this skewed? I want Bryce to be Him but when I watch games he does so many things that gave me screaming at him I don’t see this and I watch the games very thoroughly.

He basically only throws it deep when the WR is high school wide open.

[OldhamA]

8 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

No problem with downplaying this but if he was ranked as the worst deep ball thrower, everyone in here would sing PFF's praises all day, every day.

Well yes, because then their stats and metrics would start to reflect what we saw every Sunday in Autumn for the last 3 years. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Maybe PFF calls it Big Time throws for Bryce because since he is such a little guy, any throw pass the line of scrimmage counts as a Big Time throw...

And it would have been nice if PFF included Big Time Throw attempts/game on that graphic also. Because we all know Bryce attempted like maybe 2 deep passes per game

[R0CKnR0LLA]

In other news, Nick Mullens is the most accurate QB in the NFL... he has 100% completion percentage!!!!!

(don't pay attention to the fact that he only attempted 3 passes)

[strato]

52 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Maybe PFF calls it Big Time throws for Bryce because since he is such a little guy, any throw pass the line of scrimmage counts as a Big Time throw...

And it would have been nice if PFF included Big Time Throw attempts/game on that graphic also. Because we all know Bryce attempted like maybe 2 deep passes per game

As I understand it, and I may be wrong, the stat is less about situational success and more about a nice throw into a small window. And then you can project that onto a situational deal. 
 

It has been a while but the definition was really broad and doesn’t focus on ‘time’ at all. The throw could be in the 2nd qtr of an October football game. A purely routine situation. 
It is a quality of the throw thing. 
 

They name these stats to impart importance to them. Big time. Deep.  To me those aren’t really honest characterizations and it frustrates me. 
 

Kind of like we (or, I, anyway) tend to think of game winning drives as being a 4 minute or less drive brilliantly orchestrated by the QB when in reality it can include a score following a turnover on the first play of the 4th quarter, a couple of handoffs and the kicker comes in. If that is the deciding score, you get a game winning drive. That is the truth.  

[CRA]

total nonsense. 

Big time throws aren't deep passes. 

as for the rest, it's not actually stats shaking out like that like some suggests because it's not stats and production.....as Bryce is graded on subjective imaginations of plays that also don't even happen.  Incompletions.  

and if you are the best at something, you aren't at the bottom half in attempting to do such a thing.  It's like naming some random backup RB with a small handful of carries that hit some draw plays for big gains that worked out well....the best RB in the NFL lol. 

[MechaZain]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Why, you have to ask, would PFF skew the stats in such a way to get Bryce at the top of a list. Honestly, they didn't. That's just how the stats shook out. Probably because Bryce took fewer deep pass opportunities than most other starting QBs, but on the rare opportunities he took, he did quite well.

And that fits in with what an unbiased eye might see out of Bryce and Canales right now... Developing starter QB, developing offensive identity. Which is probably what we have. You and I don't know the calls on each play. We can't see what Bryce sees (or can't see) from the pocket. But a group that watches and grades every play for basically every player looked down at their stat calculations and went: "Would you look at that? Who would have thunk it?"

Just because it doesn't fit into our own narrative doesn't make it false.

The narrative's always been that they limit the playbook because of Bryce not that he's incapable of completing a deep pass. If he threw 99% on a handful of attempts that totally fits what we've been saying.

Calling it "efficiency" without any regard for volume is a stretch. Stafford had the most deep attempts in the league and is just under Bryce completion rate at 98.7%. Who do you think is better at it?

[Khaki Lackey]

11 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I wear shoes that slip on and have fake laces lol

I got some golf shoes with the BOA (not bank of America) system. It's legit awesome. I wish it was on every shoe made. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

I mean, he pretty clearly improved in that area this past season. He also clearly needs to take more shots down the field, but his deep accuracy has definitely improved since his rookie year.

[Khaki Lackey]

Bryce truthers call people "box-score watching casual fans" and say things like "stats don't tell the story" until some made up BS stats support Bryce. Which is ironic, because he also fails the basic eye test in spades. 

[Khyber53]

26 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

The narrative's always been that they limit the playbook because of Bryce not that he's incapable of completing a deep pass. If he threw 99% on a handful of attempts that totally fits what we've been saying.

Calling it "efficiency" without any regard for volume is a stretch. Stafford had the most deep attempts in the league and is just under Bryce completion rate at 98.7%. Who do you think is better at it?

Oh I have no doubt that Stafford is better. He's also one of the most experienced QBs in the league, has great protection, is taller, has a whole crew of top notch receivers and has a very aggressive play calling program that makes good use of tight ends and play action.

Bryce, really doesn't have any of that at this time.

But here's the deal... whether you, I or any of the other "experts" on this board think it should be otherwise, Bryce will be heading into our 2026 season as the starting QB for the team. We could sit back and just cry about it and gnash our teeth or just hope that Canales and crew know what they're doing and that they see something in practices and meeting rooms that we don't have access to that makes this the direction they are heading.

That being said, right now, I think an even more pressing matter is who are we going to sit on the bench behind Bryce. His size, and a whole new slew of questions about our O-line, makes injury a possibility and there's always the what if he sputters out? Dalton, thanks for coming here but... I think it's time to hang up the cleats. 

 

[joeyxfresco]

The entire league is praising Bryce’s development and wants to see him do well. Meanwhile the miserable losers on here would rather take a flyer on the Drew Locks of the league