Should Dave Canalas be on the HOT seat??

[ForJimmy]

Inherited a 2 win team missing draft capital from a dumb trade.  Turned them into a 5 win team followed by an 8 win team and made the playoffs.  I think Canales should be fine as we overachieved last year.  If we have a bad year this year I think he goes into next season on the hot seat, but to me his 3rd year should be safe unless it just completely derails.  

It gets complicated we you look at replacing Bryce next year.  Do you let a coach on the hot seat make that call?  I also think you should let him have a chance with a QB he picks as well so yeah it's a little complicated...

[strato]

47 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

And then what?  3 more years to develop said qb ?

Doesn’t have to be a player they draft in 2027.  Could be someone that gets put on the roster this year.  Whether later round or a reclamation project, current backup. A 2027 FA even.  
 

I just mean, it wouldn’t have to be a three year proposition.  

Edited 20 hours ago by strato

[Mistuh Jones]

jesus christ let the man fugging cook. He's improved the win total both years he's been here. This article is retarded

Edited 19 hours ago by Mistuh Jones

[cranky]

23 hours ago, strato said:

considering [Dave] Canales enters Year 3 working for an impulsive owner. 

 

Is he really though?

Rivera was past his prime and probably shouldn't have even started 2019 so his firing wasn't really unexpected or unwarranted.

Rhule lasted two and a half years which was about one year too long in my opinion. Bringing him back that third year certainly wasn't impulsive and I would say Tepper was more patient than he should have been.

Wilks finished out that third season and did pretty good but most everyone could see he really wasn't anything more than an intern HC. Bringing him back was not the long term answer so not bringing him back was the correct call.

Hiring Reich was a mistake from the beginning and he recognized that fairly quickly. I am sure he knew he was going to catch a lot of sh*t for firing him so quickly ( and boy did he ) but it was absolutely the right thing to do given everything that was going on. The firing may have looked impulsive, but I think it was him recognizing he had royally f*ck up and just dealt with it instead of letting it fester. 

That brings us to Canales. 2025 was only his second season and yet he delivered 8 wins and the NFC South title. And while that might not sound great, given the lack of talent and cap space they started with, it's a strong step in the right direction. I couldn't imagine Tepper not being pleased with their progress given the crap the Panthers' have been though under his ownership.

Edited 18 hours ago by cranky

[Jmac]

Nope

[strato]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Is he really though?

Rivera was past his prime and probably shouldn't have even started 2019 so his firing wasn't really unexpected or unwarranted.

Rhule lasted two and a half years which was about one year too long in my opinion. Bringing him back that third year certainly wasn't impulsive and I would say Tepper was more patient than he should have been.

Wilks finished out that third season and did pretty good but most everyone could see he really wasn't anything more than an intern HC. Bringing him back was not the long term answer so not bringing him back was the correct call.

Hiring Reich was a mistake from the beginning and he recognized that fairly quickly. I am sure he knew he was going to catch a lot of sh*t for firing him so quickly ( and boy did he ) but it was absolutely the right thing to do given everything that was going on. The firing may have looked impulsive, but I think it was him recognizing he had royally f*ck up and just dealt with it instead of letting it fester. 

That brings us to Canales. 2025 was only his second season and yet he delivered 8 wins and the NFC South title. And while that might not sound great, given the lack of talent and cap space they started with, it's a strong step in the right direction. I couldn't imagine Tepper not being pleased with their progress given the crap the Panthers' have been though under his ownership.

Your last sentence…. if you watched that McAfee interview with Tepper - that seat is safe. Safer than with the fans. 

Edited 16 hours ago by strato

[DeAngelo Beason]

Chances are Bryce Young does indeed get another coach fired. 

[csx]

I believe he is just be nature of being in year 3.

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[strato]

26 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Chances are Bryce Young does indeed get another coach fired. 

It would be a shame if Canales’ HC opportunity was tied solely to Bryce’s success or failure. It’s like summiting Everest with an asthma inhaler in place of oxygen. Or something. 
 

At the same time, I was thinking the other day about all the people talking about how Seattle got the great young coach, and the same for Jacksonville, or Ben Johnson, and thinking well you folks are not considering why we ended up with a Dave Canales in the first place. It was not all because they didn’t want to work for Tepper. 

Edited 15 hours ago by strato

[outlaw4]

The Super Bowl winning coach might be the only guy who has guaranteed job security for next season. Otherwise, you could go 0-17 and somehow keep your job or lose in the Divisional Round and get fired. It really comes down to the specific circumstances and the owner. 

That said, definitely would not want to be Aaron Glenn. Being the HC of a bad franchise is a perpetual hot seat because management is going to be impatient and/or incompetent. 

[ncsfinest21]

Honestly, I dont  think he should be on the hot seat yet. A bad start to next year, then yes. Despite our mistakes on play calling this past season, we played better than anticipated overall. Bryce showed improvement and maturity (although still not nowhere close to our expectations). Better record and 2-15 to 5-12 to 8-9. Despite what we feel the stats dont lie we are improving by 3 wins a year. Could 11-6 be our expectation. That's a high bar but at the rate we are going, thats what its looking like. We all want to see a 5-12 to a 13-4 record but we are methodically moving up. Success doesnt happen overnight (well in most cases).  IMO we are struggling mostly on the defensive end. LB and edge are our biggest weakness. I see Bryce making improvements (even though I was a Bryce hater) next year. Biggest concern is LT on offense. How to fix this? We need a big name edge or to trade up and get a big name edge or LB and pick up one in FA and draft one. Also if in the 3rd we can pick up a TE. Dont know if Sanders is the answer or Tremble (even though I love Trembles blocking and power after the catch). If these two can get their footwork together they would be great. Maybe all they need is a better TE coach. And if Brooks can stay healthy and be the back we thought he could be, man that would be great

Edited 3 hours ago by ncsfinest21

[OldhamA]

I think you have to factor in that we're still not an attractive proposition for Head Coaches. You're not getting the cream of the crop if you fire Canales a year after winning the NFC South, especially considering the situation he walked into.

[Navy_football]

If the team shows improvement, then he shouldn't be in danger of losing his job - even if the record doesn't reflect. This was a very young team (with a lot of new vet starters) that overperformed last season. Somebody's doing something right. Consistency is key with so much youth. And we're potentially looking at new starters at ILB and FS. Those are positions that take time to fully understand the defense. ILB calls the front 7. Safety calls the back 4. Injuries at WR and IOL killed the offense last season. Depth needs to be upgraded. Same with Edge. I think they would have won more games if Pat Jones doesn't go down early. Be smart with the roster and draft. Trade players for assets when it's time to pay them more than they're worth - yes, that includes BY if he doesn't make a pretty big jump. That's one of the many reasons Tillis is as important as anyone to the future of this team.