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Fixing the Panthers Offense in 4 Easy Steps


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I'd like to thank Zod and rayzor for injecting some logic and well-reasoned analysis into these threads about yesterday's game.  I tried in the locked Shula thread but was so dang mad I couldn't even type straight.  If we take the Bills and Giants, maybe we'll have something to look forward to after the bye.  If things aren't shaping up well by the middle of October, I expect JR may get his broom out of the closet, hand it to the G-man, and do a little house cleaning again.

 

On a positive note, if the season does go down the crapper this year, the 2014 draft is overloaded with OL talent.

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I actually think there is validity in both arguments. We didn't take enough shots, there was poor execution during key parts of the game, and D-Will's fumble was the last nail in the coffin and the epitome of s_n_a_t_c_h_ing defeat out of the jaws of victory. 

 

Now, I fully expect us to rebound and beat the Bills (If we don't, then it's going to be a long season on the field and especially in the Huddle), but the real test is going to come in week three against the Giants.  Beat the Giants, and we're 2-1 heading into the BYE, and all of these whiny, bitchy, ill-informed, extreme threads will gradually disappear.

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If you aren't here to read about and/or discuss the Carolina Panthers, why ARE you here?

I'm here to discuss the Panthers, not provide my input about how to fix the team when I know that there is no way in hell that I know more about football than Rivera and his coaching staff.

The Huddle is essentially saying thy they are more knowledgable than our head coach. I'm sure a lot of people playe high school football on here and are under the impression that they know a lot about the game because they were All-State in a homeschool league.

That is like me saying that I am a better photographer than Zod. I know nothing about cameras but I've used one before so I guess that means I'm better with cameras than Zod.

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Indeed.

I mean, we didn't attempt a SINGLE field goal.

So the ONLY times in the game we even threatened to score on offense was the TD pass and D-Will's fumble.

Twice... in a 60 minute NFL game.

That ain't just good Seattle defense. That's PATHETIC Carolina offense. And, as Zod pointed out, the "numbers" look good... Cam completed 70% of his passes, didn't throw an interception, only sacked once, D-Will averaged 4+ yards per rush, etc.

So why did we only threaten to score twice? I believe it's for the exact reasons Zod has pointed out.

Sitting back, playing it safe, and hoping for the best is not usually the most successful of strategies when playing the league's best teams.

 

i'm not going to link it because it's peter king, but on MMQB he mentioned two things about this game that hit me and troubles me.

• Seattle, which scored 37 points a game on average in its last six games of 2012, managed 12 at Carolina, and still won.

 

 

The Panthers sure didn’t look explosive on offense against Seattle. They looked cautious.

 

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If all you had to do to play good offense is attempt big crazy plays then every team would do it. Our offense has struggled in pre-season and was playing one of the best defenses in the league last year. It's no real shocker that they didn't look explosive or that the answer is that they should have just tried to be explosive. That's just silly.

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We saw deep passes in the preseason,  They're there, they'll come.  The gameplan had us in position that a freak fumble that several running backs would have had trouble protecting effectively ended the game.  The mistimed drops on 3rd down killed us today.  You look at us putting at least 6 more points on the board at a point where Seattle was staggering after getting punched and it could have gotten out of hand in a hurry.  I'm cautiouslty optimistic about the game.  Now if we'd put up 7 points and been curb stomped in the process... well, that'd be another story.

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Because it's easy to find a competent OC who just happens to be available in week two of the season, right?

And hey, installing a whole new system in mid-season after you spent an entire training camp and offseason learning this one? No problem!

It's simple. Heck, I do it in Madden all the time. That's just like the real world, right? :)

Obviously unless something catastrophic happens we are stuck with Shula for this year, and I don't think we will be implementing a new offensive system.

However our offense is going to struggle this season under Shula. Just like every other offense Shula has ever coordinated. We need to make some whole sale changes this off season and let Gettlemen hire his guys.

Rivera is a lame duck coach, and Shula was a stop gap hire to get us through the season.

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I disagree.

I know its counter-intuitive, but "playing it safe" against the better teams plays right into their hands..

They're already very good. Now you're gonna limit YOURSELF? Hell, they couldn't be more happy about that!

To beat the good teams, you had better come out MORE aggressive rather than less. They've already got more talent and better coaching than you do. You want to back it down and not take risks? They're more than happy to accept that favor from you.

 

 

Exactly which part do you disagree with?   The part where I said he may have been letting fear dictate what plays he called?

 

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i just dont understand why we need a franchise QB who will be payed about $70 million next year if were gonna run an offense that is built for someone like trent dilfer. we might as well start anderson at QB, let cam walk, and use that money to sign some cornerbacks. its hilarious how we have arguably the most physically gifted QB in history yet were not running an offense that plays to his strengths. IMO its easier to gameplan and scheme based on your personel than it is to try to throw your players into a system regardless if it fits their strengths or not. i feel shannahan or harbaugh would have a field day against teams if they had Cam

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long season and i know it's been said before. but just enjoy the show, there is a lot to be happy about with this team (defensively). or you could give up already, which i guess you already have.

 

I have not given up and yes, I will enjoy the show and that's I can do.  L

 

I just don't have expectations that the makeup of this team can be something they have shown themselves to not be.

 

Transformation takes more than drafting two DTs.

 

In the NFL, there are clutch teams who consistently ****** victory from the jaws of defeat and then there are the teams that consistently ****** defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

The Panthers have proven themselves to be the latter...and over a period of years.

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