Gettlemens Negotiation with Norman

[London Loves Luke]

9 hours ago, CRA said:

He would have eventually signed.

I'm not sure anyone can convince me that Gettlemen couldn't of traded him for SOMETHING.  I think the biggest flaw MAY end up being Dave has an ego.  Think Dave likes that people think it was a gangsta/statement. Carolina seems to be sending that narrative out to media.

 End of the day we would be better off with something in return IMO even if it means Dave looks less badass tough in the process.   

So a team will sign him.... then explain why Dave couldn't of traded for some picks (even if less than we would want ideally...bc the option we went for was nothing)

We will most likely get a 3rd round pick out of it, which is more than the nothing you're claiming we got.

And also how can you look at what Gettleman has done the last three years and not see that his biggest virtue is addition by subtraction? Its not about Gettleman looking like a badass, its about maintaining his leverage in contract negotiations and sending a message across the team that no one has the choice in this team to not buy into the team first mindset. Its exactly what the Patriots did with Easley and Chandler this year.

[Randolph Panther]

I hate to see him go.  But we have made some good personnel decisions the last 4 years and I feel like Gettleman knows what hes doing.  We will be fine.

[twylyght]

11 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

I think Josh's agent really fugged him over on this one.

That depends on the driving motivation.  If it is to be on a winning franchise, then yes, Josh will likely have a much harder time with that now.  If it is to have a large contract long term, then he did exactly what needed to be done.  Josh is going to get a premium pay to be an elite man-press corner from a team that is projecting him to be able to do that.  Initial indications are that Josh does have that ability, but it was not highlighted in our zone-based defense, so it is going to be a gamble for whomever pulls that trigger.

[top dawg]

Like I said in another thread, this would have been so much cleaner with a nonexclusive tag. Now it's just kind of bizarre. A release this late in the game for a star player of his caliber is unprecedented.

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Like most of you, I hate to see him go.  Josh was a great player for this team.  He was (and is) beloved for his contributions to this forum (via podcast)

BUT, he said all along he wasn't going to give us a hometown discount.  What makes it worse.  I think his agent is the driving force behind this.  I think he was playing hard ball and thinking he had Carolina by the balls because we tagged him. 

Next Man up.   We kept some young talent on the Practice Squad for a reason.  Maybe we already have the 2nd coming of J-No 24.

I hope no one pays him what he was offered and he accepts our contract.   

[AU-panther]

11 hours ago, CRA said:

He would have eventually signed.

I'm not sure anyone can convince me that Gettlemen couldn't of traded him for SOMETHING.  I think the biggest flaw MAY end up being Dave has an ego.  Think Dave likes that people think it was a gangsta/statement. Carolina seems to be sending that narrative out to media.

 End of the day we would be better off with something in return IMO even if it means Dave looks less badass tough in the process.   

So a team will sign him.... then explain why Dave couldn't of traded for some picks (even if less than we would want ideally...bc the option we went for was nothing)

He wasn't under contract, what was he going to trade?

[pantherclaw]

12 hours ago, CRA said:

Everyone has their own pros and cons.  At one point Hurney looked like an awesome GM.  Now, I am not saying Dave is bad....but we might now have our first look at a flaw of Dave's....

for the most part...Gettlmen has been viewed has half man, half god, half possible centaur.   A man that can do no wrong.  The golden touch that everyone else should be jealous of....

but Dave just let Carolina groom an All Pro corner and let him walk out the door.  If Hurney pulled this off at the end of his tenure it would be the biggest thing he was blasted for despite many options to look at.   Do not like.  IMO even if you know you can't work a long term deal you rent him with the tag for this year 

You obviously don't get it, haven't been paying attention, or think you're a better GM. 

Gettleman believes that you don't pay top dollar for CB talent. Simple reasoning, really. The secondary is only as good as the front 7.  You can't pay top dollar to CBs, and keep a fantastic defense together. 

I'm in complete agreement with Gettleman on this. 

Great thread to place your post in. Guess the other ones are just stale.

[Doyle]

I really didn't want another butthurt player having to play under the tag.  Peppers taught Richardson that lesson and JR may have had a lot to do with this decision. 

[osd22]

12 hours ago, CRA said:

He would have eventually signed.

I'm not sure anyone can convince me that Gettlemen couldn't of traded him for SOMETHING.  I think the biggest flaw MAY end up being Dave has an ego.  Think Dave likes that people think it was a gangsta/statement. Carolina seems to be sending that narrative out to media.

 End of the day we would be better off with something in return IMO even if it means Dave looks less badass tough in the process.   

So a team will sign him.... then explain why Dave couldn't of traded for some picks (even if less than we would want ideally...bc the option we went for was nothing)

Not sure Josh would have signed it. I have the feeling his agent fugged that one up big time. He wasn`t able to set up a trade, although Gman allowed him to. Gman put the team first again, which is what I love. No player is more important than the team. This is the message I get out of it and I love it. We will get a comp pick for Josh, and it is not gonna be a 7th rounder, so we don`t walk away empty handed.

[Snake]

12 hours ago, CRA said:

Everyone has their own pros and cons.  At one point Hurney looked like an awesome GM.  Now, I am not saying Dave is bad....but we might now have our first look at a flaw of Dave's....

for the most part...Gettlmen has been viewed has half man, half god, half possible centaur.   A man that can do no wrong.  The golden touch that everyone else should be jealous of....

but Dave just let Carolina groom an All Pro corner and let him walk out the door.  If Hurney pulled this off at the end of his tenure it would be the biggest thing he was blasted for despite many options to look at.   Do not like.  IMO even if you know you can't work a long term deal you rent him with the tag for this year 

If you look at it logically and not emotionally like you are you can see he made the right move. There have been plenty of teams with multiple All Pro players that get to pick first in the draft and sit home in January. Dave is building a team and sustaining what got us to a Superbowl. Norman clearly proved to Dave he was not going to be happy with what he was getting from Carolina so Dave did josh a favor and released him. Dave could have forced him to sign but that never ends well and our team will be better off without a unhappy Norman. 

[pantherclaw]

It's not easy to get picks for a player that isn't under contract. 

There is ZERO incentive for another team to even give up a 7th round pick for a player that isn't close to signing a long term contract with their team, and hasn't signed the tender. 

So stop with the "we shoulda got something for him derp de derp!"

[CoastalCat]

13 hours ago, chknwing said:

 

Saving this just in case he ever makes a Ted Ginn-esq return.

[L-TownCat]

3 hours ago, twylyght said:

That depends on the driving motivation.  If it is to be on a winning franchise, then yes, Josh will likely have a much harder time with that now.  If it is to have a large contract long term, then he did exactly what needed to be done.  Josh is going to get a premium pay to be an elite man-press corner from a team that is projecting him to be able to do that.  Initial indications are that Josh does have that ability, but it was not highlighted in our zone-based defense, so it is going to be a gamble for whomever pulls that trigger.

Starting to leak that the agent was the issue...

[twylyght]

20 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Starting to leak that the agent was the issue...

Wouldnt be the first time.  I expect it wont be the last.  Ultimately, the agent works for Josh at his direction.  If Josh wanted to put the brakes on hardball negotiations to instead push for a long term deal with less money, he could have done that.  He didnt do that, so i will take what his behavior says about his motivation over his words all day