Scouts Feel Jonathan Allen's Stock Is Falling. A lot.

[Fox007]

LOL @ Allen being explosive....we're not comparing him to you.

I hope he's there...god I wish so I can come back here and lulz when we don't take him.

[ncfan]

His film still show he can Ball. Combine proved he doesnt have it for a 4-3 DE which he hasnt played. But still for a 3-4 team can could be a stud at DE in that sceme.

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[nctarheel0619]

7 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

 

DE is a need too.  Don't be so quick to dismiss it. Powell, you're better than that. CPF.. Not so much 

Fournette or bust.  Cam needs help.  If Allen and Fournette are both there, you can't go wrong.  But man, passing up Forunette for this dude?  Yeesh.  The fan base won't be too happy.  

[nctarheel0619]

19 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

LOL @ Allen being explosive....we're not comparing him to you.

I hope he's there...god I wish so I can come back here and lulz when we don't take him.

Would you still LOLZ if we took Fournette?  Because that would be odd.  

[rippadonn]

Speed! That's the difference between a DT and a DE. That's why none of the guys we've got can crack double digits. Speed is the difference between getting to the QB for sacks instead of "pressures". Speed is why Garrett is on top now, he has it. He is the 4-3 end prototype and top ten all day.

Allen is falling because of surgeries on both shoulders. That's a legit concern for a company investing millions. 

[Castavar]

I swear to God if Fournette and Allen are on the board when we pick and we pick Allen, I'm going to throw my TV. We would be the team to pass up on a generational talent for a bull rusher with two bum shoulders.

[shaqattaq]

8 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Once upon a time, it was being reported that the Bears and 49ers are highly interested in Allen and there was no way he sneaks out of the top 3. Many mocks would even go as far to say the Browns would consider him above Myles Garrett based on fit.

Now, they're talking about him being picked in the teens. 

While I personally feel the Panthers would no doubt snatch this hog-molly up if he were available, scouts are saying this guy's stock is falling. So much so, that he may not even be a top 10 pick anymore, which is completely surprising.

The culprit? His shoulders.

Now, I personally don't feel they are a problem and trust his word and doctors, but teams are starting to look at his shoulders as something to watch. Matt Miller has sources from scouts expressing concern, so it's fair to assume he knows what he's talking about.

If his stock is falling that much, would you think it's safe to snatch him at 8 if available? I'll remind you again this guy is easily the second best defender behind Myles Garrett. He was far and away one of the best players in college this year, and cases have been made for him to go 1st overall.

Again, what say you?

The last DT that was supposed to be a top 5 pick that dropped into the teens because people got concerned about his health and the Panthers grabbed was Star. If Allen works out as well I'll be stoked! And yes I realize that we would move him to DE, but I like the idea of him being able to rotate to the interior as well. Imagine him, Big Vern, KK, and Mario coming after the QB on 3rd and long...It gives me goose bumps!

[Hoenheim]

If the pick is something other than a DT or LB I will be happy. For fugs sake gettleman pick something else for a change

[gorillamilitia13]

If Fournette is there, then fug no

[AU-panther]

5 hours ago, Sasquatch said:

Draft for need. That ain't Gettleman.

CBs say hi

[Mvp2014]

oh please let this happen

[carpanfan96]

11 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Another guy who assumes Allen will be a DT...let me post what I posted for another guy who thought the same thing:

You understand this guy was far and away the best defender in college, and I dare say more productive than Myles Garrett?

Plus, you understand he's not going to be a DT in the NFL, right?

Allen weighed in at the combine at 286, that's heavy for a 4-3 DE but not absurd. Both now and in the past the Panthers used ends at or close to 280 pounds such as Hardy(280) and Ealy(275), and Charles Johnson(285). We could easily draft Allen and ask him to lose a couple of pounds, it wouldn't be a substantial amount.

I'm not sure why it's difficult for people to imagine him as a DE in the NFL. He played end at Alabama, and he doesn't have the weight of a nose tackle or even plus sized 3-tech.

In the Panthers' 4-3 scheme I could see Allen as a end on first and second down. On third down he could go inside while Short kicks out to end. If not, I can see the opposite on 3rd down situations as well.

Additionally, we want to give Mario Addison more snaps so adding more run-stopping would make up for his deficiencies. 286 isn't too big to be an end in a 4-3 and with his talent the Panthers will figure out a way to utilize him.

So, again tell me how this guy wouldn't fit?

Short arms, lack of burst. No elite speed or even good speed for an edge rusher. He's just not a 4-3 End, he doesnt have the skills or traits. Its why the draft advisory told him to change positions and why most list him as a dt now.

[pantherphan96]

If you seriously think TE or WR is a bigger need than DE you are delusional.

[Yaboychris28]

If we're going to take a tweener id rather it be Thomas. He ran a 4.7 compared to Allens 5.0 and beat him in every other explosion drill/jump.