Why I Have Fallen Out of Love with Fournette at 8...

[SetfreexX]

1 minute ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

When Adams falls of the age cliff we'll just bring in another veteran safety with a couple more years left that knows what he's doing between the ears

Quintin Mikell, Roman Harper, Mike Adams ...... am I missing someone ? This staff values brain and run stop ability more than young giddy athleticism at SS clearly 

Mike Mitchell, like you said Gettleman/the staff seem to value experience on the back end / secondary by comparison to any other position group. 

To me those are the spots where if mistakes are made touchdowns are given up, so to a degree it's more important to have a guy who KNOWS where to be, and is athletic ''enough'' vs a younger player who may have more ''potential''. 

Not to mention the cost for SS on the market at least for mid tier veterans is cheap still. 

[GoobyPls]

If any GM takes Mccaffrey ahead of Fournette or Cook they should be fired.

 

[ECUPantherFan]

Because you know he won't be there at 8.

It's called "bargaining" and it's one of the stages of grief... 

[TylerDurden]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think people get too caught up in the thought of "value" in the draft. If you end up with a great player, then you got great value. Maybe it wasn't perceived as great value on draft day, but draft day can't really be judged until several years down the road.

I'd take Fournette with zero hesitation at #8.

Agreed on value...  that being said, my thought on this in terms of value is, if we trade back, getting more young players that can come in and raise our overall talent level and contribute while doing so.  But, as some have suggested, we could do that by trading back up into the late first rather than trading back.

I just view it like we still have needs at RB, DE, S, likely OL, and WR, in no particular order.  So, if we traded back and picked up another 2nd or 3rd, that's how many picks in the first 3 rounds that can come in and help immediately at any of those positions?  

But, I admit, I also kind of like the idea of Howard at 8 and trading back in the first for McCaffrey.  I haven't been high on McCaffrey, but if our draft played out that way, our offense instantly looks more different and dynamic.

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

We keep plugging at playing at SS with vets and getting good production why would we want to spend 8 pick on SS

I'm talking about our current SS, not the draft pick you know

[panthers55]

27 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

Ed McCaffery is a day two/three prospect -- at 35-40 lbs less he ran .02 seconds faster than Fournette. So what if he's quick/shifty or his ''deceptive speed''. He is not an NFL running back, or day one prospect. <<< I REPEAT HE IS NOT A DAY ONE PROSPECT. 

He also does not fit what we do here, we are a power running team, aka between the tackles. That's not gonna be his strong suit at the next level. He needs to go to a pass heavy team like - NE / DET / NO where a team can maximize his skill set as a ''space player'' at the NFL level. 

Fournette does not just do one thing well for the pundits, and posters trying to pigeon hole him, however the thing he does best (between the tackles) running suits us perfectly, especially as we wean off the option running game. 

I think McCaffery is talented but to people acting like he's gonna be a perennial all pro, you need to chill. He'll be a great role player on the right team, in the right offense that moves him around. But he's not a franchise piece.

Agree that Fournette isn't as one dimensional as folks make it appear but I disagree that Christisn  mcCaffrey isn't a day 1 pick. He surely is and he is not as fragile as some think. 

In 3 years of college he had 821 touches in 37 games. Given he wasn't a star his freshman year but came on his sophomore year he has been the most prolific player in all of college the last 2 years. His stats for the past 2 years is.

rushing- 672 - 3622 yards 6.2 yard per attempt with 21 TDs.

Receiving 82 receptions for 950 yards and 8 TDs.

Kickoffs- 51 returns 1388 yards- I TD

Punt returns- 25 returns 226 yards- 1 TD. 

This is only a 2 year total and doesn't even include a senior year. He is a young kid who is going to grow, get stronger and improve in a big way. Name me anyone else on offense for anyone who was a better offensive threat than McCaffrey. And no Fournette isn't close.

 

[Malt Liquor]

The RB position is something that needs to be addressed. For one J Stew is getting older and he is injury prone. I don't see paying him $5 million this season. If Fournette is not available we have to go with Dalvin Cook, then Christian McCaffrey. We still can keep JStew he just will have to take a pay cut.

[Mvp2014]

58 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I respect you as a poster, but if I have to hear about McCaffrey being a better value back over Leonard Fournette again, I'm gonna go nuts (Jeremy wrote a shitty article today saying the same stupid s h i t).  Leonard Fournette is the best RB prospect in years.  If he falls to 8, we need to take him, if not him Adams.  That's the only two at that point.   

Exactly.  People comparing him with these other Rb's is funny.   LF is a grown ass man

I can only imagine how much pressure a bruising back like LF would lift off of Cam and the receivers if he hit his stride early.

[Tarheels23]

Trading out of the 8th spot just to get more players is absurd to me. The only reason we should want to trade down, is to have enough ammo to trade back into the first round. 

Oh, and I'm not trading down pass 12. 

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Agreed on value...  that being said, my thought on this in terms of value is, if we trade back, getting more young players that can come in and raise our overall talent level and contribute while doing so.  But, as some have suggested, we could do that by trading back up into the late first rather than trading back.

I just view it like we still have needs at RB, DE, S, likely OL, and WR, in no particular order.  So, if we traded back and picked up another 2nd or 3rd, that's how many picks in the first 3 rounds that can come in and help immediately at any of those positions?  

But, I admit, I also kind of like the idea of Howard at 8 and trading back in the first for McCaffrey.  I haven't been high on McCaffrey, but if our draft played out that way, our offense instantly looks more different and dynamic.

What if Fournette really is the next Adrian Peterson though? The chances at hitting on all of those positions in one draft is probably slim to none.

Fournette probably won't do what Peterson has done but IMO he has that type of potential. I wouldn't pass on him.

[Peppers90 NC]

If we want to "evolve" and want a versatile back at 8, Cook has the talent and potential to help us. Not that I really want either, I think we are going to get a great player there any way we slice it. I wish we could trade back it just feels like this is one of the best drafts in a long time.

[Yaboychris28]

After watching this past season, Cam desperately needs another play maker on Offense to take some pressure off his shoulders. Having LF in the backfield would take some eyes off of Cam and would let him play more free. LF was always the focal point to the other teams game plan in college. Playing with Cam would also open up his game as well. OJ Howard is great, I'm just not a fan of drafting a TE at #8. If we go that route of drafting a receiving threat, i'd rather get Corey Davis.

[the greatest]

Fournette won't be there at 8

[Riverboat Ron]

Because Fournette will be gone by #8.