Still don't want a RB in round 1 for a number of reasons

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I don't disagree but we do have a closing window for several players  we need a difference maker offensively, I hope for Howard as that revamped OL isn't great and the guy can  block

i have serious doubts about Maccafrey holding up in the NFL or Cam, who struggles with touch and accuracy on shorter passes, hitting him in stride which sets him up for being blasted by linebackers, throw in Shula, and we know the rest

DL is needed, yes, but they don't always pan out in the first round either 

it comes down to this, the Panthers have cast their fate with Newton,.

They have done a poor job keeping him upright or giving him weapons.

Who do they really have that any defense schemes for, and the answer is Olsen.  Add to it, they lost six games by 3 points or less and therein lies the answer and hopefully they spend one late pick on a kicker. 

Ah, but therein lies another issue - Undrafted Kickers succeed more often than Drafted kickers.

So I'd rather take a flier on another position personally, and then sign the best UDFA Kicker available to compete in camp.

[Bartin]

I've come to terms with it despite being very against RBs in the 1st and especially the top 10 philosophically as long as we don't trade up to get one. I'd be very pissed if we did that.

[raleigh-panther]

21 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Ah, but therein lies another issue - Undrafted Kickers succeed more often than Drafted kickers.

So I'd rather take a flier on another position personally, and then sign the best UDFA Kicker available to compete in camp.

I am not sure you read my post.  It wasn't about kickers.  The kicker was an add on to why the Panthers lost 6 games by 3 points or less. Kicker 7th Rd, no earlier 

[Ricky Spanish]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

I am not sure you read my post.  It wasn't about kickers.  The kicker was an add on to why the Panthers lost 6 games by 3 points or less. Kicker 7th Rd, no earlier 

I read it, you made good points, I just wanted to plug that other thread pointing out the statistics with kickers drafted vs. Undrafted for the last point you made. 

I personally think that McCaffery is better built to last in the NFL than Fournette just because he's not going to take the blunt force trauma that Fournette will on a regular basis. Even if Fournette manages to stay healthy, his career will be shortened just due to the pure physicality that he plays with.

This could however be negated if he were to split carries like Stew did at the beginning of his career, but that goes to further my original argument against taking a RB with the 8th pick - why take someone that early that isn't going to play all the time?

Either way, I agree we need more playmakers. I think CMC is a playmaker, I think Howard or Njoku are playmakers. I'd rather have a TE in our offense with our doofus of an O-coordinator because that's the one piece of our offensive puzzle that he has managed to let shine year in and year out. 

[Guest Barry McCaulkinor]

Call me a racist. IDGAF. I just don't want a WHITE runningback in the first. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

I agree with op, too rich for a top 10 pick imo.


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[Hoenheim]

We're going to have to adress RB of the future eventually. We can't get away with continually selecting late round scrubs . I hate how people keep using the name Jordan Howard from the Bears. He's the EXCEPTION to the rule, along with albeit at a different position, Tom Brady, Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott. Normally you get better talent in the 1st than you do much later in the draft. 

If you see a RB that you think will massively help your team? Take him. We're not like most teams in the NFL alot of our offensive flow is predicated on getting consistent 3-5 yard rushing chunks to put us in short 2nd and 3rd downs or get 1sts by running and play action the fug out of the defense over the top. 

[darrybear]

Doubtful, going to be at the bar with one of my best buds grabbing beers.  Plus, my classes are over for the semester.  

Ew beer is gross


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[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, darrybear said:

Ew beer is gross


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Ban worthy

[darrybear]

Ban worthy

It is though but I'm not a fan of any liquor really I don't like tequila I do not like vodka I don't like any brown liquor I just don't like drinking. I'm more of a #420 plus I get drunk off of a wine cooler so I stay the hell away from alcohol


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[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

We're going to have to adress RB of the future eventually. We can't get away with continually selecting late round scrubs . I hate how people keep using the name Jordan Howard from the Bears. He's the EXCEPTION to the rule, along with albeit at a different position, Tom Brady, Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott. Normally you get better talent in the 1st than you do much later in the draft. 

If you see a RB that you think will massively help your team? Take him. We're not like most teams in the NFL alot of our offensive flow is predicated on getting consistent 3-5 yard rushing chunks to put us in short 2nd and 3rd downs or get 1sts by running and play action the fug out of the defense over the top. 

If memory serves, only 1 or 2 of the top ten backs in the NFL was a 1st round pick. And about half the rb's picked in the first round the last 4 years or so ended up being bust.  I think if we get a back in the second round, we have a pretty decent shot at success with him.  

[CPcavedweller]

In my honest opinion, after watching Calf and Marcus Cox at App, I see a similar style of runner with around the same measurables and results. This isn't to say Marcus Cox should be a round one pick or even a round five, only that the value isn't there for Calf that others seem to be convinced of. 

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

My personal hope is to get O.J. Howard. I really think he would be a star in our offense.

That's been my hope for some time now.

But I fear its a pipe dream at this point.

Panthers seem to be all-in on the De-Evolution Train non-stop to Paleolithic Station.

[iamhubby1]

10 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

It's looking more and more likely that RB will be the position we take in round 1. I for one, won't be thrilled for a number of reasons, but I'll still cheer for the guy and hope for the best. For those who are excited about the prospect of having our first pick be a RB, temper that excitement for a number of reasons:

1. RBs have the shortest careers in the NFL. Spending a first round pick on a RB is not a long term solution.
2. On average, they are most productive at age 26, decline for two years, and then drop off a cliff soon after. Imagine if we got the best years out of Cam or TD up to age 26 and it was all downhill from there. I'd be pretty pissed if we wasted a first round pick on that length of production.
3. RBs are the most often injured position in the NFL. No, Seriously. You are essentially accepting that your first round pick will miss substantial amounts of time  throughout their career. You're basically drafting a guy with an injury history, even if he doesn't have one. We all love Stewart, but the biggest knock against him is that he can't stay on the field.
4. The teams with the best records in the league tend to spend the least amount of money on the RB position. The outlier in this situation would be the Panthers last year, but then again, we've never had back to back winning seasons and we spend the second most on the position in the league.
5. Similar production at the position can be had at a fraction of the cost, and a first round RB will be expensive down the line when his career is most likely on the downswing because if you remember, they peak at age 26, roughly around when our 1st round RB's first contract will be up. You can do more with solid production at the RB position with your money allocated elsewhere, than you can with elite production and money invested at RB. 

So all in all, I'm not thrilled if wel spend a high first round pick on a RB. As awesome as it would be to have Fournette on our team, I don't think it would help us out long term. Fournette's running style all but confirms to me that he will hit the injury report multiple times throughout his career. Guys who look for contact at that position tend to not last long, or aren't always available. Gun to my head, I'd rather have McCafferey based on injury risk alone, not pure talent. While Fournette is the more impressive sports car, it's hard to enjoy it when it's constantly in the shop. CMC doesn't have the injury history/risk that Fournette does, and he doesn't take the hits that Fournette does, so I believe he'll be on the field more often than Fournette, and therefor, will prove to be more valuable. 

This is of course, just my glass half empty perspective on drafting a RB in the first round. I was alright with it at the beginning of the offseason, but the closer we have gotten to the draft the less I like the idea. I'd rather spend our pick on a DE, Safety, or TE, and then take a RB in the second. Hell, I'd be alright if we traded back into the late first to take one, just not 8 overall, and especially not trading up before 8 to take one. It would be a waste of multiple picks.

Regardless of who we pick, I will not be actively rooting against the guy and will hope that my pessimistic outlook on the position is proven wrong 100 times over because I don't want to be right about all of this if we take a RB.

Just my two cents.

 

I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly. But, I would like to add my own personal reason for bypassing RBs in the 1st. Hog Mollie.

 

DE is my go to. IF, and only if, he is one of the best players left. Especially at 8. We very well should be able to draft a stud DE with that pick. And a player like that can put our Defense on the path to being elite.

 

After that. Get you some Skilled Athletes. Preferably on Offense. But, I am a firm believer that the team with the most/best athletes usually wins.