Are the Panthers Underachievers

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Of course they are.

Any franchise that is given the gift of Cam Newton that can’t properly build around him to win a SB should be considered “underachievers”

I don't think you guys are properly applying what to underachieve means....

To underachieve simply means to fall short short of expectations or to do less well than expected....so you're saying you expect Cam to carry any team to victory regardless of the situation which actually is a slight on Cam to be underachieving.

Shula is living up to expectations. Ron is living up to expectations. Our scrub WRs are living up to expectations. The Panthers are who we thought they were and the issues that we knew we had cost us in the game....that's exactly meeting expectations....

The word you're looking for is:
Any franchise that is given the gift of Cam Newton that can’t properly build around him to win a SB should be considered “inept beyond believe”

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Peyton Mannings career in Indy is under achieving. All time great regular season QB only winning 1 ring.

GB Packers with Aaron Rodgers another all time great only 1 ring is under acheiving.

Andy Reids Eagles teams and now KC teams are the definition of under achieving.

Cam carrying this scrub squad can never even be considered that.

Maybe not for Newton, but what about the coaches?

[Fox007]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Maybe not for Newton, but what about the coaches?

see my post above...i'd say Ron and Shula are meeting expectations(we expect them to suck)

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 minutes ago, bull123 said:

With corners like Bradbury and Worley and captan...and a lt like Kalil...and receivers like clay....you can’t put that on the coaches...and be assured Ron would like nothing better than to have more talent

Even if he had more talent, I doubt he'd use it. He is loyal to his vets to a fault, no matter if there is someone better waiting in the wings. 

[Castavar]

Not at all. We are exactly who we thought we were.........a pretender that was being carried by a once in a lifetime QB that our front office and coaches failed miserably to build around. Before the season I had us at 10-11 wins, but would end up being outcoached at some point during the playoffs. So they pretty much met my expectations.

[ickmule]

As a whole I say yes they are. 

 

[outlaw4]

57 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Peyton Mannings career in Indy is under achieving. All time great regular season QB only winning 1 ring.

GB Packers with Aaron Rodgers another all time great only 1 ring is under acheiving.

Andy Reids Eagles teams and now KC teams are the definition of under achieving.

Cam carrying this scrub squad can never even be considered that.

With that metric, any team that's not the Patriots have underachieved. Coaches such as Carroll, McCarthy, Harbaugh and Tomlin should be fired because their teams have not fared much better despite far superior talent.

That said, we definitely need more talent but it has to be via the draft. Not feeling good about that avenue with our current staff, though.

[thefuzz]

I don't think of us at underachievers at all.

 

We are going to the playoffs with the most consistency in our history, we are getting the shots, but not finishing them.

Teams that have been underachieving lately?

Saints

Packers

Steelers

 

Teams that been losers lately?

Chargers

Chiefs

NYG

 

After losing our Defensive Coordinator and assistant GM, Cam coming off surgery and having no training camp, then firing Dave Gettleman, then bringing in Marty Hurney , and during the middle of the season Big Cat would be shamed into selling the Carolina Panthers for alleged workplace misconduct......and told me we would be 11-5, playing the last game of the regular season for the NFCS crown, and would go on the road and have a shot at a playoff game.....I just can't call that underachieving.

[Fox007]

46 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

With that metric, any team that's not the Patriots have underachieved. Coaches such as Carroll, McCarthy, Harbaugh and Tomlin should be fired because their teams have not fared much better despite far superior talent.

That said, we definitely need more talent but it has to be via the draft. Not feeling good about that avenue with our current staff, though.

Nope that's not how that works at all.

Harbaugh would be an overachiever not underachiever(how yall seriously don't know these basic definitions) his Ravens teams haven't been great at all and they got a SB with Flacco. 

Carroll is what he is and belongs in neither category. Of all people Colin Cowherd sums him up well. He had 2 good drafts right after his college days because he knew the recruits from college and it makes it easier to hit on those when you know all the players so your late round picks are good. The further away from his college days the weaker his drafts are.

Also has nothing to do with needing to be fired or not.

Also not sure how you put Tomlin in there as his team is always good despite injuries to their RBs, WRs, and Big Ben is always hurt. Also that would be like saying Barkley, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, Stockton/Malone, etc. and all of their coaches underachieved because MJ took all the rings. Steelers have the GOAT to face every year in the playoffs.

McCarthy is already on the underachieving list with Rodgers....hell a lot of people say Favre too, those GB teams were stacked.

The reason guys like Peyton Manning are included by all the pundits on this list is because of his regular season compared to his post season play, which is un arguable.

[KSpan]

22 minutes ago, Tomás The Boss said:

Generational, game-wrecking talent at QB and LB. Solid, experienced personnel on both sides of the line and at TE. Below-average corps at WR and secondary.

That's not the makeup of an automatic SB contender, but it is the makeup of a team that should be competitive in a wildcard game. Which we weren't.

So, sure, underachievers. Coaching was the difference between an honest shot at that game and a doomed effort that every single expert and non-expert knew would fail.

The single clearest indictment of this coaching staff comes at the position group I left out. If you can't get more out of Jonathan Stewart and Christian McCaffrey than out of Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram, you have failed, utterly.

In what world was Carolina not competitive last night? NO played essentially a perfect game on offense led by a future-HOF QB they still only won by 5. I'm not.one for moral victories and Carolina could have (maybe should have) won but they were anything but non-competitive.

[mc52beast]

How do you “under-achieve “ when your team is full of players who shouldn’t be starting? 

Not only is Ron to blame for this but also the FO and especially Jerry Richardson. The best thing that could happen to this team is a person/ people pony up the 2.3b and get football people who aren’t going to be “yes men”.

[TbTeRRoR]

Why does everyone think Ron was putting vets on a pedestal?   He sat Charles Johnson for 2 games for underperforming and/or not being the best option. Did the same with Captain.  Fox was the vet hound who never let go not Rivera.

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Credit to @Manther for this article linked in the "Fire Shula" thread

Have the Panthers underachieved in the Cam Newton / Ron Rivera era?

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Considering our receiving corp, I would say we overachieved in almost defeating the Saints last night. 

[RumHam]

Richardson wanted Steeler football. Well hell now they pass all the time. if an owner comes in here and see how much the offense is held back and is like i dont' want that style of football, get out shula, then that's what i hope happens.