LaDainian Tomlinson on the Panthers offense

[Peppers90 NC]

How bout use our two RBs more? It is ridiculous CJ gets on the field one possession each half, except I dont think he saw the field at all yesterday.

[CRA]

meh. 

We are 4 games into Norv working with Cam.  Anyone who would think that would be running smoothly at this point in my opinion is naive.  It is going to take time for Norv's offense to get up and running in Carolina regardless who the QB is....and will take extra time of with Norm figuring out how to use Cam and all the other guys.  Never happens overnight. 

I always have said the O will start to take shape mid season.  I still believe that. 

[JARROD]

Personally I believe its because we had a Shula all these years to be a buddy with Cam,...

Cam has shown timing and throwing open plenty of times. When Chud was here, there was some really good highlight reels of Cams first 2 seasons.  Plenty of plays were shown where Cam released in timing, threw steve smith and others open.

Sean McVae took the Rams, a 2nd year quarterback that was written off as a bust compared to Wentz-- had Goff just do what he said in the headphones last year,..like a human video game to kick start his timing and decisions, and to win.  Now Goff is doing it, and doing it pretty well.

Norv has already made the team better-- and several drives looked awesome once Norv was allowed to take the gloves off.

Cam will get better timing with Norvs offense, but Norv has to be allowed to let Cam chunk the ball earlier in the game.  

[beastson]

Cam is completing damn near 66% of his passes, so what's this timing thing? Tomlinson is talking out of his ass

What's this timing when it came to running 5 damn times to start the game and the ridiculous read option calls on 2nd and long? Tomlinson should watch the entire games before speaking and not just the last drive

Our offense issues isn't timing. It's style. Its the run to set up the throw philosophy. It's tempo. It's definitely play-calls. We also should use Armah in runs, CJ in runs and Samuel in throws.

[Lumps]

Already pointed this out in game thread. It’s Cams responsibility to learn the playbook at this point. LT is spot on and knows more about Norv than anyone on this board. But I doubt that’ll matter to the bias Can apologists.

Some of you act like Cam’s MVP 4 years ago and the possibility of going to the HOF makes you more happy/matters more than this team looking like a super bowl contender. And I have no doubt that it doez.

With all that said it still points out that the Panthers and Ron’s old ass coaching is a mismatch for Cam and the organization has yet to hire coaching that can tap/support his potential and strengths which, 8 seasons later is dumbfounding.

[Shocker]

The Panthers were ball controlled yesterday, turned the ball over like crazy and still could have won the game.  A coach that can’t adjust to his players strengths?  Sorry that’s on the coach.

But...Cam is wildly inaccurate at times...denying that is crazy atp.

[NorthTryon]

3 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Cam had a very slow start yesterday but got things rolling in the second half, and he was actually looking in rhythm and hitting a lot of those timing routes.  My opinion - because the offense picked up the pace.  I don't care what anyone around here thinks - offenses move the ball better in up tempo.  That being said, the slow starts have got to stop.

None of that will fix the defense, which has been absolutely atrocious to this point in the season.  We are pampered around here getting to see a top-10 defense year in and year out, but this defense is a shell of it's former self.  Horrible.

Now while I do not like the Chip Kelly, meerkat kind of hurry up, I do understand upping the tempo.  One time yesterday, we got the play call in and everybody went to the line to get set and Cam stayed on a knee for five seconds.  The play is ready to run with like sixteen seconds to spare, but we are still waiting till inside five to snap it.  It seemed like we were ahead 17-6 instead of behind by the same margin.  Plus the defense has all day to counter.

[Mr. Scot]

I get that a lot of people like the hurry up offense idea. I would add one caution to that.

The downside of hurry up offenses is that they don't give defenses much time to rest. Given the state of our defense right now, that's something to think about.

[trueblade]

I'm stunned. That show usually ignores the Panther game outside of a highlight or two between segments. 

[Borat]

Cam is never going to be a timing / touch QB. Go get him a few go-up-and-get-it WRs who are capable of improvisation when things break down, let Cam riff behind the line of scrimmage, and he'll ball out. Asking him to be Peyton Manning is both -EV and a waste of his myriad talents.

[thefuzz]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get that a lot of people like the hurry up offense idea. I would add one caution to that.

The downside of hurry up offenses is that they don't give defenses much time to rest. Given the state of our defense right now, that's something to think about.

Agreed.  We are pretty old on the D-Line, and that's what makes this defense tick...you keep those guys out there too much, and we will look like the falcons D.

[pantherclaw]

How many points did the Redskins score off turnovers? 

Get off the defense's back. 

[mc52beast]

Sanders actually stayed before the season started that Cam wasn’t made for Turner’s offense and that he would struggle.

My feeling is that when you’re paying Cam like he’s your “franchise” qb then it’s up to your OC to adapt to him and not the other way around. Turner needs to get this thing figured out.

[Byrdman4real]

8 hours ago, Castavar said:

I call BS. Cam can run any offense. Remember when Jared Goff and Todd Gurley were huge busts and the Rams offense was the worst in the league? What happened over there? Oh yeah, they got rid of their HC who still thought it was 1980 and now has straight slaughtered the league on offense. Again, until Rivera is gone, it really doesn't matter who we bring in at OC tbh. 

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