Week 17 of last season...

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Except that there is. Literally no one is going to exchange #9 for #16 without substantial additional  trade value added because there isn't a huge difference.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Happy is correct imo.  There isn't a huge difference between having a dollar and having a dollar and ten cents, but most people still wont exchange the latter for the former. 

According to the common "trade value" chart, moving from the #16 pick to the #10 costs 300 points in trade value.

That's equivalent to the #60 overall pick which is in the bottom half of the 2nd round.

2nd round picks ain't equivalent to dimes, they are PREMIUM picks that you need to get right and become starters.

Also, the difference between the #47 overall pick (Carolina's position in the 2nd round) and the 10 pick in the 2nd round (the 42nd pick) is 50 points.  That's equivalent to a middle 4th round pick (the #122 pick overall).

After that, the difference definitely in round position definitely becomes "dimes".  But in the 1st and 2nd round?  Hell no.  2nd rounders provide starters... 4th rounders provide depth (and, if well picked, starters).

What that meaningless win cost the Panther's in the 2019 draft was equivalent to a 2nd and 4th round pick.  Now a lot of people would prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALA! and say that doesn't mean anything, but it does.  Having higher and/or more picks ALWAYS means something.

For your reference, here is the 2019 Draft common "trade value" chart at the following link:

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

[KillerKat]

educate dem fools

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

According to the common "trade value" chart, moving from the #16 pick to the #10 costs 300 points in trade value.

That's equivalent to the #60 overall pick which is in the bottom half of the 2nd round.

2nd round picks ain't equivalent to dimes, they are PREMIUM picks that you need to get right and become starters.

Also, the difference between the #47 overall pick (Carolina's position in the 2nd round) and the 10 pick in the 2nd round (the 42nd pick) is 50 points.  That's equivalent to a middle 4th round pick (the #122 pick overall).

After that, the difference definitely in round position definitely becomes "dimes".  But in the 1st and 2nd round?  Hell no.  2nd rounders provide starters... 4th rounders provide depth (and, if well picked, starters).

What that meaningless win cost the Panther's in the 2019 draft was equivalent to a 2nd and 4th round pick.  Now a lot of people would prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALA! and say that doesn't mean anything, but it does.  Having higher and/or more picks ALWAYS means something.

For your reference, here is the 2019 Draft common "trade value" chart at the following link:

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

These guys are closed minded, it isn't worth your effort. Similar to flat-earth believers, logic and reason do not matter. Hence I'm trying to find the limit to winning that week 17. I bet some pass on 5th overall pick cause it goes against their football morals. LOL at justification " the value at 16 is not different than 9" mental gymnastics at the finest. 

[Basbear]

I bet it doesn't matter that the Atlanta Falcons are picking #14 either according to the win crowd...... It's not like share similar needs or nothing

 

(hint they do)

In fact, I'm alllll for leaping them to #13 if the cost is a 4th rounder. What is draft pick value to a non-believer tho??

 

[top dawg]

The trade value chart is more of a contrived way to garner more draft picks than it is a crystal ball as to which players are going to be super stars in the NFL. 

[Zcustom]

Had to login to say..... Really?
Get a fuging grip people. Or a life. Probably both.
fug off pussies

 

[GoPanthers123]

Beat the Saints > win Super Bowl 

What if can be anything.  What if we won another close game instead of losing during the second half?  Fug the Saints is my motto and I stand by it.

[MasterAwesome]

If your argument is as simplistic as “Would you rather have the number 9 pick or the number 16 pick durr durr” then you should go play in the sandbox with your intellectual peers. No sh&$ the number 9 pick is better than the number 16 pick...but your question is based on a false premise that blatantly tanking is something that actually happens in the NFL beyond something like resting superstar players (which we did). You might as well make a thread like “Would you guys like to have picks 1-32 in the draft!?!?”. Ooooo yes I would! Sounds great!

Someone that says we should’ve blatantly tanked that game is someone who I guarantee has never played a competitive team sport in their life...I laugh at the idea of these beta males sitting on their couch typing maddeningly about how these grown-ass testosterone-fueled professional competitive football players should’ve laid down and rolled over or that the coach of these same players should’ve told them in the locker room “yeah let’s just go ahead and lose this game against our most hated rival in their home stadium mkay? BETTER DRAFT PICK ON THREE! ONE...TWO...THREE!”. Go to training camp next season and yell to the players from the sidelines about how you wish they had lost Week 17 so we got a better draft pick, and watch these players that you idolize lose any ounce of respect they had for you. Quit being so damn cringey.

[Moo Daeng]

I asked how you go about tanking a game beyond resting key players. I asked how you tell these guys to not try. Nobody answered. 

"Kyle, here is your chance to start. Don't try"  LOL

[NanuqoftheNorth]

You can have all the high draft picks you want, if you don't have a smart GM or a competent coaching staff, you'll end up looking like the Cleveland Browns.

[Waldo]

8 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I asked how you go about tanking a game beyond resting key players. I asked how you tell these guys to not try. Nobody answered. 

"Kyle, here is your chance to start. Don't try"  LOL

The only way I have seen that is actually legit is to admit the season is lost and you want to see any marginal players ability. Play all of the fringe and ST guys and sit anyone who will and might return. Aldo sit the ones retiring. Fact is our GM and HC were and should be on the hot seat so that wasn't much of an option. They needed a win.

[Carolina Cajun]

We started a UDFA rookie QB, who also got hurt in the middle of the game, and benched several vets in favor of unproven bottom roster young guys.  We literally did everything possible to lose, the saints just tried to lose harder.  Here's the difference, their bottom roster guys had nothing to lose as presumably they'll likely still have a job this year whereas our bottom roster guys could be out of football with a bad game.

[MHS831]

We got there by knowingly playing a QB who could not throw 30 yards for half a season.  Ron knows that Cam keeps him employed and did not care about his long-term health, IMO.  Ron  does what is best for  Ron.  His  job was on the line, so  he trounced the  Saints in the Turd Bowl.  They were faking injuries and leaving  the  game,  giving the  appearance they were not tanking the game---the only motivation NO  had  for losing  was to hurt us in the draft.   Ron's stellar victory was to hurt us for 2019 but help  assure he would still be the  coach.

At some  point, when there are no more  assistants to fire and nobody left to take his game day responsibilities, people  will realize what the problem  is.  Cam got us to  a position  to win  a ring or two, RR  kept  us from  it.  Denver out-coached us.  Payton out coaches us.  Sad.

I would have emptied the bench  and  tried to win.  No CMC, no Samuel or Moore.  No Luke, no Bradberry etc.