So did Rivera give control of the defense back to Washington?

[t96]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

I had this sick suspicion that he had last week, but I haven't wanted to go back and watch that poo show of a game last week to see.

It sure seems like he did and if he did, he needs to be gone or at least reminded again by tepper how stupid that is.

I'm starting to feel bad for Tepper. Guy pays 2+ billion of his own money and keeps putting money into developing and growing the team only to be stuck with the clowns running this show. I'd be pissed.

Tepper could’ve rebuilt this place from the second he got here, and he should’ve.

[CBDellinger]

Y'all... Ron is calling the plays... headset on and play sheet in hand. 

Same with Norv.

and in regards to the 3/4, 4/3 issue... he clearly said how much we see each defensive front alignment would change week to week based on who they are playing.  The idea is to be multiple.

 

 

[WUnderhill]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Just a general observation. But I hate that Eric Washington is taking the brunt of criticism over this. He didn't promote himself. Ron considered exactly zero outside candidates for the DC position the same as he did with Norv at OC.

You could argue that maybe other coaches saw the writing on the wall that Ron was maybe on the hot seat so to speak. But I personally don't buy it. Many teams over the last several years have had a revolving door at head coach, and still brought in coordinators. The Bucs brought in Todd Bowles. Seems like it has worked out well for them.

I'm just gonna say it, but I fear Ron was looking more for potential scapegoat material in the offensive and defensive coordinator positions rather than what was actually best for maximizing the talent we have.

It had been proven multiple times that the DC position here was a good platform to getting HC gigs. If anybody argues that good DCs wouldn’t want to be here they are just plain wrong.

[Mr. Scot]

Darin Gantt stated that the plan was always to shift things back over to Eric Washington at some point. It just wasn't specified as to when.

Washington is something of a protege to Rivera. If he fails, it means Rivera has failed. Thus, rather than just fire him, Rivera is going to do everything from can to save him.

So Rivera's rationale for taking over the play-calling duties was to provide cover for Washington while he "grew into the job", then hand it back to him.

Has it happened already? No way to know. I do believe that if it had, Rivera might not necessarily have said anything since, if it goes bad, better for Rivera to take the heat than the guy he's trying to protect.

I think it's probably still Rivera for the moment, but anything's possible.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Just a general observation. But I hate that Eric Washington is taking the brunt of criticism over this. He didn't promote himself. Ron considered exactly zero outside candidates for the DC position the same as he did with Norv at OC.

You could argue that maybe other coaches saw the writing on the wall that Ron was maybe on the hot seat so to speak. But I personally don't buy it. Many teams over the last several years have had a revolving door at head coach, and still brought in coordinators. The Bucs brought in Todd Bowles. Seems like it has worked out well for them.

I'm just gonna say it, but I fear Ron was looking more for potential scapegoat material in the offensive and defensive coordinator positions rather than what was actually best for maximizing the talent we have.

A lot of truth to this. I always thought Washington did a very good job with the DL, but not every good position coach makes a good coordinator.

You see this all the time in the sales game. Top sales reps are moved into management with no consideration of their management ability or how their personality type fits in that role. A lot of the characteristics that make a good individual sales rep can make for a really shitty leader.

[CBDellinger]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

So Rivera's rationale for taking over the play-calling duties was to provide cover for Washington while he "grew into the job", then hand it back to him.

 

What?

Ron's rationale for taking over the play calling was b/c Tepper told him to do it.   

 

 

[ncfan]

28 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Mier speculation 

But after all the talk of the 3-4.  How much we used it in camp etc.

 

We've ran a whole lot of 4-3 again it seems.  And that kind of points the needle back to Washington 

Which on that note.  I know @ellis is good at digging back up and though the film, wonder what % we've reverted back to 4-3 this year than playing the 3-4 that we all saw Rivera running in camp

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

What?

Ron's rationale for taking over the play calling was b/c Tepper told him to do it.   

I'm going off what Gantt said.

You have a different source?

[jamos14]

I think a lot of the 3-4 / 4-3 difference is due to the fact that Bruce Irvin is hurt.  It's tough to stop the run in a 3-4 if you have Burns or Haynes at OLB.    Much easier when you are in 4-3 to make up for a softer edge player.

 

 

[cookinbrak]

16 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

It had been proven multiple times that the DC position here was a good platform to getting HC gigs. If anybody argues that good DCs wouldn’t want to be here they are just plain wrong.

Yes, everybody kept hiring our DCs because they sucked.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

I had this sick suspicion that he had last week, but I haven't wanted to go back and watch that poo show of a game last week to see.

It sure seems like he did and if he did, he needs to be gone or at least reminded again by tepper how stupid that is.

I'm starting to feel bad for Tepper. Guy pays 2+ billion of his own money and keeps putting money into developing and growing the team only to be stuck with the clowns running this show. I'd be pissed.

One correction: He wasn’t “stuck” with them for THIS season.  He had the authority and capability to take care of that after last season.

He CHOSE not to use that authority.

He, above all, owns and is responsible for EVERY DAMN DECISION made this season both on and off the field.

Last season? No... he was, indeed, “stuck” with them.

This season? He owns every decision made by the Rivera/Hurney Clown Show lock, stock, and barrel.   

[Ricky Spanish]

Am I the only one who isn't disappointed in the defense so far? I think they did perfectly fine last week, only allowed 20 points, just over 200 passing yards, under 100 rushing and the only player that beat us regularly was Godwin. That's more on Jackson than the entire defense, Godwin ate his lunch. 

Either way, Defense played admirably and kept the team in the game. Offense couldn't put it in the endzone. 

[PanthersNC1984]

That or he is Rain Man and has all the defensive play calls memorized because what I see on the side line is same ole stoic Ron with nothing in his hands

[Mvp2014]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Just a general observation. But I hate that Eric Washington is taking the brunt of criticism over this. He didn't promote himself. Ron considered exactly zero outside candidates for the DC position the same as he did with Norv at OC.

You could argue that maybe other coaches saw the writing on the wall that Ron was maybe on the hot seat so to speak. But I personally don't buy it. Many teams over the last several years have had a revolving door at head coach, and still brought in coordinators. The Bucs brought in Todd Bowles. Seems like it has worked out well for them.

I'm just gonna say it, but I fear Ron was looking more for potential scapegoat material in the offensive and defensive coordinator positions rather than what was actually best for maximizing the talent we have.

This.  Ill add I think hes afraid of rocking the boat with a strong personality coach that might call out bullshit.  Thus we’re stuck with nuetered yes men bc thats how ron like it.  No one is going to outshine him and take his job.