Corona Virus

[stirs]

If I look at the overall new cases across the country, they are actually going down, even though things are opening back up and we are testing more.

[electro's horse]

18 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I wouldn't jump the gun yet.  Testing is being done more and more.  As a result there are more cases being discovered.  That doesn't necessarily mean the virus is is spreading uncontrollably again.  Only 7% of occupied hospital beds are currently being used for COVID-19 patients and still a 1/3 of hospital beds are completely vacant. 

this is now how shutting down works

you do it before it gets bad, not after. 

[45catfan]

23 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

this is now how shutting down works

you do it before it gets bad, not after. 

What is your definition of bad?  Really curious.

[LinvilleGorge]

38 minutes ago, stirs said:

If I look at the overall new cases across the country, they are actually going down, even though things are opening back up and we are testing more.

Which couldn't possibly be more irrelevant at a local, state, and even regional level.

[Paa Langfart]

59 minutes ago, Tbe said:

a lot of people will refuse to get it. 

Simple ways to fix that.  Either you get the vaccine or you don't work for me or anyone else that gets or got a government subsidy of some sort.

[45catfan]

Riddle me this: barely 5% of the population of SC has been tested and only 7% of hospital beds in SC are currently in use for COVID-19 patients, so if the number of positive cases keeps increasing shouldn't the number of hospital patients increase accordingly?  

[Tbe]

11 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Simple ways to fix that.  Either you get the vaccine or you don't work for me or anyone else that gets or got a government subsidy of some sort.

So if X% of the population decides to not get the vaccine, they should be fired? That’s some authoritarian poo there.

I get it for schools and healthcare workers, but jeez.

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

Simple ways to fix that.  Either you get the vaccine or you don't work for me or anyone else that gets or got a government subsidy of some sort.

Yeah that hasn't worked on those moronic anti-vaxxers yet.

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Riddle me this: barely 5% of the population of SC has been tested and only 7% of hospital beds in SC are currently in use for COVID-19 patients, so if the number of positive cases keeps increasing shouldn't the number of hospital patients increase accordingly?  

Positive tests generally lag 1-2 weeks behind actual infection and hospitalization often lags an additional 1-2 weeks after positive tests. You don't know you're actually in a spike until the SHTF.

[45catfan]

42 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Positive tests generally lag 1-2 weeks behind actual infection and hospitalization often lags an additional 1-2 weeks after positive tests. You don't know you're actually in a spike until the SHTF.

The one week to 10 days people are usually the asymptomatic and mild cases.   Correct, hospitalization is usually those over that time period.  To my point though, every time there is a spike we shutter everything again?  Put the information out there and some folks will take it upon themselves to observe best practices to hopefully prevent contracting it.   

We can't bounce around between shuttering and reopening mode indefinitely like flipping a light switch.   If it does get bad, things will shut back down briefly, but shuttering simply by projecting is just as dangerous.  People are finally getting back to work and then we yank the rug right back from underneath them based on a projection?

Again, we discussed this a week or so ago that as testing increase, positive cases were almost inevitably going to increase.  We know for a fact that early on not enough test were available and people, if not in immediate need to be hospitalized were turned away.  Now, those people that would have been turned away two months ago are getting tested and with the remote testing locations popping up everywhere, even those with mild symptoms are getting themselves tested.  That being said, is it a spike in the sense SHTF or simply more samples are being taken?

[Wes21]

19 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The one week to 10 days people are usually the asymptomatic and mild cases.   Correct, hospitalization is usually those over that time period.  To my point though, every time there is a spike we shutter everything again?  Put the information out there and some folks will take it upon themselves to observe best practices to hopefully prevent contracting it.   

We can't bounce around between shuttering and reopening mode indefinitely like flipping a light switch.   If it does get bad, things will shut back down briefly, but shuttering simply by projecting is just as dangerous.  People are finally getting back to work and then we yank the rug right back from underneath them based on a projection?

Again, we discussed this a week or so ago that as testing increase, positive cases were almost inevitably going to increase.  We know for a fact that early on not enough test were available and people, if not in immediate need to be hospitalized were turned away.  Now, those people that would have been turned away two months ago are getting tested and with the remote testing locations popping up everywhere, even those with mild symptoms are getting themselves tested.  That being said, is it a spike in the sense SHTF or simply more samples are being taken?

We had 2 of our guys who potentially came into contact with an infected person.  The way it played out was completely different based on how things have changed.

Late March - Our guy couldn't get tested, and the sick guy that they came into contact with had to jump thru hoops to get tested, and we aren't even sure if they eventually gave him a test or not,

Beginning of June - Our guy was tested immediately, as well as every other person that was identified as a possible contact with the infected person.  The infected person wasn't even "sick," they came up as positive after taking the test without symptoms...because we can do that now.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Wes21

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

What is your definition of bad?  Really curious.

well in healthcare we don't talk about acceptable casualty rates so

[Brooklyn 3.0]

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The World Health Organization walked back comments made Monday when one of its top scientists said transmission of the coronavirus by people who never developed symptoms is “very rare,” which drew skepticism from physicians and others across social media.

That admission sent shock waves throughout the world, much of which has been locked down for months for fear of spreading the virus by people who show no signs of illness.

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said Tuesday that asymptomatic spread is a “really complex question” and much is still unknown. “We don’t actually have that answer yet,” she said.

 

[Ja Rhule]

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

 

WHO is a fuging mess