Is it time to start thinking trade?

[jfra78]

7 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

David Johnson makes $10M and got traded for Nuk Hopkins and a pick. It only takes one idiot.

Yeah, but O'brien has been fired

[stbugs]

38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Moss also wasn't deemed worthy of a draft pick by any of the 32 teams and he was in an offense featuring several very legit NFL prospects at skill positions. Whether Brady wants to feature a TE in the passing game or not, there were simply much better alternative options at his disposal on that roster. Kinda the same situation here in Carolina.

Thomas went in the 4th round. Moss was just fine as a college TE. My point is there is no reason to trade for a TE. Who could we possibly get that would make a difference?

Samuel + Anderson snap counts are 137%
Thomas + Manhertz snap counts are 117%

Target wise, it’s 70 to 13.

We are clearly having a TE in on basically every play and some two TE sets and yet they aren’t targeted at all. CMC and Davis have seen the field 30% less snaps than the TEs and have more than 3 times the targets. TEs are there to block in Brady’s scheme and rarely targeted. I think it’s the opposite of what you said. I don’t agree that he doesn’t use a TE because we don’t have a good one. Based on the snap counts you’d think they’d get a few more targets.

[onmyown]

Despite beating the 0-4 falcons and becoming SB contenders there is actually quite a few holes on this team and there is zero depth.

This team is still building and trading would be stupid right now.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, therealmjl said:

I mean this team is certainly over performing and we could be a position or two away from really being in postseason contention.

TE, DB, MLB should all be in play here. 

What are some realistic targets? Not trying to give up a ton of draft capital but I am looking to get these 2020 wins.

nah, I mean we are still on the ground floor of what Rhule is building.  I don't want us to waste a single draft pick on a trade this year.  

I mean to date we have beaten two bad teams and a rookie making his first NFL start on the road.   We aren't playoffs or bust mode. 

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Thomas went in the 4th round. Moss was just fine as a college TE. My point is there is no reason to trade for a TE. Who could we possibly get that would make a difference? Even Cook last year had just over 700 yards because there was no one besides Thomas. Cook still went down 200 yards from his last year in Tennessee even though he was clearly the 2nd target in a 4000+ yard passing team.

Samuel + Anderson snap counts are 137%
Thomas + Manhertz snap counts are 117%

Target wise, it’s 70 to 13.

We are clearly having a TE in on basically every play and some two TE sets and yet they aren’t targeted at all. CMC and Davis have seen the field 30% less snaps than the TEs and have more than 3 times the targets. TEs are there to block in Brady’s scheme and rarely targeted. I think it’s the opposite of what you said. He only used Cook because Cook is basically a big WR and there was nothing else. I don’t agree that he doesn’t use a TE because we don’t have a good one. Based on the snap counts you’d think they’d get a few more targets.

Maybe Brady is just smart and tries to get the ball to his best playmakers in space? Seems like that's what he's doing.

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

DT depth is the biggest issue to me. Run defense is still pretty bad. Short is more of an injury prone veteran mentor to Brown than a full time starter at this point. Bravvion Roy was getting pushed off the ball almost every play last game. Woodrow Hamilton might need to get some more opportunities. If we were to make a trade and there’s a solid DT available, I think that’s a big spot for improvement. 

 

This. I think a lot of people are underestimating how thin we are at DT, especially if Short is out for a prolonged period

[electro's horse]

Also if we're really desperate at safety there's always earl thomas

who among us hasn't been caught by their girlfriend having group sex with their brother because we didn't turn off location information on our social media post

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Maybe Brady is just smart and tries to get the ball to his best playmakers in space? Seems like that's what he's doing.

I'm afraid this says more about our TEs then what Brady thinks about TEs.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I'm afraid this says more about our TEs then what Brady thinks about TEs.

If my premise is correct, yes. I really liked Thomas coming into the draft and he has shown promise in spots in the past, but his development seems to have stalled and honestly regressed somewhere along the way.

[Sgt Schultz]

Does anybody realistically think we are suddenly one or two players away from a Super Bowl?  If you can not answer that "yes" without breaking at least a smile, then we stay the course.

The only way we should be trading for anything right now is if that anything is 24 years old and going to be part of the longer-term solution.  Most likely, the trading partner would have to be a team that believes they are one or two players away from a Super Bowl and we have one of the players they think is the answer.  Even then, it would have to be one of our players that is not part of our long-term solution.  I have no idea who that would be. 

 

[therealmjl]

I mean we made a legit trade to get Olsen and we were not even close to "contenders" at that point either. 

A midseason trade does not necessarily mean you go find a one year stopgap - it could mean adding another young piece to the "rebuild" or whatever you want to call it.

[Panthercougar68]

In a world of "what ifs" I would say

Zach Cunningham LB Houston for a 3rd...but his new contract is kinda up there.

[Raleigh PF]

27 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

In a world of "what ifs" I would say

Zach Cunningham LB Houston for a 3rd...but his new contract is kinda up there.

I think he's a good target. Are we going to get better than him in the 3rd round next year? Probably not, and we'll have plenty of cap room next year and moving forward.

Having said that, I'm not sure why Houston would make that deal, unless they are up against the cap (hmm, turns out in 2021, they are).

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If my premise is correct, yes. I really liked Thomas coming into the draft and he has shown promise in spots in the past, but his development seems to have stalled and honestly regressed somewhere along the way.

Thomas is getting almost the same amount of snaps as Samuel and Anderson. It’s not just better weapons. We aren’t scheming to target TEs even though Thomas and Manhertz combine for a good amount more snaps than CMC/Davis and almost as many as Samuel and Anderson. You’d think the TEs would get more looks just by accident. We’ve seen Thomas have some nice moments when Olsen was hurt and he’s playing almost 2/3rds of the snaps.

I’d bet we have the lowest targets for TEs in the NFL and we play our two TEs 120% of the time.