Trade rumor...Curtis to Giants for Engram

[pantherclaw]

The TE isn't featured in Brady's system as much as previous systems. 

Doesn't mean we don't need better play from our TE position, I just don't see this trade happening unless they don't intend on keeping Curtis. Which is possible.  

[Carl Spackler]

"Chatter" could mean among fans. Not necessarily reporters or team personnel

[4Corners]

Can we trade DJ instead 

[LinvilleGorge]

22 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

The TE isn't featured in Brady's system as much as previous systems. 

Based on what? N.O. has had lots of success featuring TEs. Brady wasn't the play caller at LSU and they had a lot of better weapons outside of TE. Same as us. We simply have a lot better weapons outside of our TEs. I'm not sure we can say that Brady's system doesn't feature the TE as much or if his system can simply adapt to the weapons it has available. I hope it's the latter.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Do it 

[PizzaTheHutt]

I am 100% on board with this.

We have had great success with Ole Miss tight ends before. While Engram is no Wesley Walls, he's also no slouch (as long as he can stay healthy, obviously) 

[t96]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think a move like this would be just about this season. It would mean that Samuel isn't in our long-term plans anyway, so why not move him to get a look at someone else who could be?

If we definitely don't plan to keep him for any price (would be stupid in my opinion) then sure trade him at the deadline.

But if there's a chance we'd want to keep him for a reasonable amount depending on his market (I don't think it'll be big...) then we should just keep him. He has plenty of value here right now and still has the potential to get much better. He's another guy, like DJ, that hasn't had a lot of time to develop chemistry with Teddy yet. Regardless of what people think of Curtis, our group of DJ/Robby/Curtis makes WR not a problem whatsoever. If we move on from Curtis, we could have a bit of a problem with depth and 3rd WR there. The fact that #3 WR in Brady's scheme is a near every down player makes it even more important to keep him or if we do move on to find a suitable replacement, which isn't necessarily easy.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, t96 said:

If we definitely don't plan to keep him for any price (would be stupid in my opinion) then sure trade him at the deadline.

But if there's a chance we'd want to keep him for a reasonable amount depending on his market (I don't think it'll be big...) then we should just keep him. He has plenty of value here right now and still has the potential to get much better. He's another guy, like DJ, that hasn't had a lot of time to develop chemistry with Teddy yet. Regardless of what people think of Curtis, our group of DJ/Robby/Curtis makes WR not a problem whatsoever. If we move on from Curtis, we could have a bit of a problem with depth and 3rd WR there. The fact that #3 WR in Brady's scheme is a near every down player makes it even more important to keep him or if we do move on to find a suitable replacement, which isn't necessarily easy.

Nah, I can definitely understand that argument too.

[RJK]

Doesn’t make much sense to me. They need someone who can rush the passer or play MLB 

[Mistuh Jones]

if Engram could block or stay on the field it would be a go for me. BUT it actually seems like Samuel's role is starting to take shape. I'd love to see where it ends up. Haven't felt like that in a couple of seasons if I'm being honest 

[MHS831]

Imagine this offense with a TE. 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, RJK said:

Doesn’t make much sense to me. They need someone who can rush the passer or play MLB 

We're 28th in the NFL in TDs per game too. We need someone who can score TDs. Yeah, we suck at MLB and FS, but quietly offense is our bigger issue. We're 13th in the NFL in points allowed and only 23rd in points scored.

[AU-panther]

39 minutes ago, t96 said:

If we definitely don't plan to keep him for any price (would be stupid in my opinion) then sure trade him at the deadline.

But if there's a chance we'd want to keep him for a reasonable amount depending on his market (I don't think it'll be big...) then we should just keep him. He has plenty of value here right now and still has the potential to get much better. He's another guy, like DJ, that hasn't had a lot of time to develop chemistry with Teddy yet. Regardless of what people think of Curtis, our group of DJ/Robby/Curtis makes WR not a problem whatsoever. If we move on from Curtis, we could have a bit of a problem with depth and 3rd WR there. The fact that #3 WR in Brady's scheme is a near every down player makes it even more important to keep him or if we do move on to find a suitable replacement, which isn't necessarily easy.

You are comparing DJ/Robby/Curtis to DJ/Robby/?

You have to factor in the TEs, better way to look at it would be:

DJ/Robby/Curtis/Thomas

or 

DJ/Robby/Roberts/Engram

 

Personally I like Curtis a lot, and I think he could actually be really productive if used properly, but as a WR3 how much are you really looking to replace?

He is on pace for what?  about 50 catches? What if we had a better TE, he might get 30 catches in a season?  Not really hard to replace that.

I actually thought there was a chance we would draft a WR this year for this very reason, most teams don't really have the luxury of paying 3 WRs, you almost always need to have one on a rookie deal.

 

 

 

 

[ncfan]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

The TE isn't featured in Brady's system as much as previous systems. 

Doesn't mean we don't need better play from our TE position, I just don't see this trade happening unless they don't intend on keeping Curtis. Which is possible.  

I dont get this whole "TE isnt featured in Brady's system"

 

They do fit in it.  The ones that do point to the stats of Moss at LSU with his #s

 

Here is the deal.

LSU had:  Chase (projected top 5 this year and a once in every 5-10 years WR), Justin Jefferson (IMO is the leader for the ORY race this year), Terrace  Marshall Jr (projected high 2nd this year), Edwards Helaire.

 

 

Now imagine saying a guys system isnt "TE friendly" because in a guys one year as a OC,  where  he had

Patrick Mahomes at QB

CMC at RB

Michael Thomas, Nuke Hopkins, and Tyreek Hill at WR

 

But since Ian Thomas who also on that roster got less than 18% of the targets,  that means _____ OC isnt TE friendly.

He11 Sanjay and his whole 2TE etc etc etc. Would even call you crazy.

 

Brsdy's system is similar Sean Payton's, where they find a way to use the talent.  Ues the Saints haven't blown uo the box score with their TEs (part of that due to Michael Thomas taking 45% of the targets).  But at one point in time, they had a talent at TE, and they sure as heck knew how to use him when Jimmy Graham  when he was there