Verge's Draft General thread 2021

[ForJimmy]

I don’t think Mac Jones will be that bad. He just doesn’t have the potential to carry an offense like Lance, Fields, and Wilson do. They have the ability to better stretch the field with stronger arms and to take over with their legs when a play breaks down. Give Mac a pocket and some weapons and he should be solid. The other guys just have potential to be something special IMO.

[GOAT]

1 hour ago, Verge said:

I'm like this close to dropping him below Mond. He has some really bad tape, and is hard as hell to evaluate. His ND game is what I'm watching literally right now and it is just...not good?

I'm sure you've seen way more tape on him than I have, I just sometimes get gut feelings about athletes doing well or poorly. I also have this theory about players that get shat on or doubted being due for an F you moment.

I said this on twitter recently, I feel like that shirtless pic of him will some day be used as like the "look at me now" after exceeding expectations.

[BurnNChinn]

46 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

We'll see, we'll see.

I’m saying he is not our pick in the first rd. I said he is not a first rd pick imo, and if another team is dumb enough to do it so be it. Rhule and Brady doesn’t want another garbagewater, they already said that when they said we want a mobile qb

[TheRumGone]

9 minutes ago, GOAT said:

I'm sure you've seen way more tape on him than I have, I just sometimes get gut feelings about athletes doing well or poorly. I also have this theory about players that get shat on or doubted being due for an F you moment.

I said this on twitter recently, I feel like that shirtless pic of him will some day be used as like the "look at me now" after exceeding expectations.

This is what I’m saying in the other thread about people projecting Tom Brady on Mac Jones.

[ncfan]

30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Damn! VP material???

Nice catch.

meant Kamara

[OldhamA]

3 hours ago, Verge said:

Also, since I was asked how I would rank this QB class compared to the last: 
1. Trevor Lawrence 
2. Joe Burrow 
3. Zach Wilson 
4. Tua Tagovailoa
5. Justin Herbert 
6. Trey Lance 
7. Justin Fields 
8. Mac Jones 
9. Kellen Mond 
10. Jordan Love 

LOL even their teammates think Jones is better than Tagovailoa. 

I don't know what the guy has done to piss so many people off. 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

The funny thing about him is that even the Lance stans(and I am largely one) can understand the criticisms of him as a prospect. The Jones stans cannot wrap their heads around why people don't like him as a prospect.

IMO, you really have to believe in that elite processing and upper tier decision making idea for him to be a top 10 prospect. 

That's exactly what I see in Jones.

I wasn't high on him when I watched him play for Alabama - fell into the trap of "oh he's not that athletic / oh he's throwing to future first round picks" etc.

Then when I analysed his tape I started seeing what Simms, Jenkins et al see. A guy that clearly processes the game at an elite rate (in just over a year of starts). Games are won and lost from the pocket - he can slide in it and can make all the throws you ask an NFL QB to make. That's all I needed to see. 

I don't agree that he's got a higher floor than others either - he's just as likely to bust as all the rest. He'll either stick in the NFL or he won't. 

[Troys99x4]

2 hours ago, GOAT said:

Mac Jones is gonna make some folks look silly. I just have a feeling.

Especially if Sean Payton gets his hands on him. Just our luck. 

[Catsfan69]

1 hour ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

If Mac Jones is a young Matt Ryan is he worth drafting at 8?  I would say yes. I would consider it if the other 4 are gone by 8.

Matt Ryan has a bigger arm and did it at Boston College not Alabama. 

Come on man.

[Basbear]

@Verge is you source still employed? 

[MHS831]

58 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think Mac Jones will be that bad. He just doesn’t have the potential to carry an offense like Lance, Fields, and Wilson do. They have the ability to better stretch the field with stronger arms and to take over with their legs when a play breaks down. Give Mac a pocket and some weapons and he should be solid. The other guys just have potential to be something special IMO.

No-he cannot do what those guys can do--exactly.  Neither can Brady, so he doen't try.  Now, some will say, "He is comparing Brady to Jones!!"  I would say to them, "You would mock me if I compared Tom Brady in college to Tom Brady in the NFL."

Funny story.  I was with my coaching buddies (used to coach HS football) at a preseason game vs. the Pats.  Bledsoe, the pro bowl QB for NE, was removed during the second quarter, and some #12 came in that I had never heard of---and I watched him.  I actually said, "Guys, I think #12 is better than Bledsoe."  They all died laughing at me--the teased me all the way home (lived an hour from Charlotte).  It was brutal.  (I tell this story because I was right--I forget the times when I was not).  Today,  remind them of it, and they tell a different story--don't recall, etc.  I sense some of that will go on here--either way.

Edited March 14, 2021 by MHS831

[Catsfan69]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Damn strong argument.

We are waiting to hear why he would not.

Why he might:

77.4% completions, 42 TDs, 4 Ints, 350 yards per game.  What criteria are you using to dismiss him?  Remember not to list things that he had when he won a national title with numbers higher than Burrow (last year) and Trevor. 

He has a quick release and processes very quickly.  So if you discount the fact that he succeeded on the biggest stage in the toughest conference and won a national title, please tell me about this amazing power you have--because it has not been a problem to this point.

 

He can't make NFL level throws.

He can't force the ball into coverage when he needs to.

He can't drive the ball to the opposite boundary. Corners will drive on those passes from him and will be lots of picks.

All of his deep balls over 45 yds in the air the reciever had to stop or slow down. This will lead to tackles or passes defensed. 

The guy is exactly like Teddy skill wise. He excels in 1/3 field throws in the 10 to 20 yd range. 

Take that away from him as a DC and he's done.

[Catsfan69]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

We will.  He may be a bust, may fall like a brass balloon.  But to say anything (as others are doing) with absolute certainty about a player who has only performed at the highest level on the highest stage is false bravado.  I do not know who will be good and who will not--I am just basing my support for a man that possesses some impressive stats and impressive cognitive and leadership skills.  If you ever hear me say, "He is not going in the first round..." or "He is a bust"  then please understand that i am bluffing to impress others into thinking that i have wisdom I actually lack, because any intelligent fan, scout, GM, etc. will tell you, "The best I can give you is an educated guess."

Chris Weinke did basically the same thing. Highest stage. Heisman. 

 

Mac Jones = Chris Weinke. 

100% dead phuckin serious. 

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Matt Ryan has a bigger arm and did it at Boston College not Alabama. 

Come on man.

Did what?  Threw for 77.4% completion rate?  350 yards per game?  Won a national championship?  A: No, No, No.

Has Matt ever played on a big stage for a ring?  Oh, that is right.  Once.  How did that turn out?  (Hint: 28-3--choking sounds)

Do they give trophies for arms? 

Oh, I guess they do.