Deshaun Allegations detailed (not good)

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

So is betting the farm... on a possible 3-8 game suspension worth the reward?

 

Hell no

[Shocker]

These are all civil lawsuits and none of them are criminal lawsuits and the DAs office said they have nothing on these at this time.

Looks bad but we really need this to play out in court.

[Monrowed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh hell, no.

Honestly, if the part about him forcing oral sex turns out to be believable, I don't see how anyone could sign him.

Without evidence it is still “he said/she said”.  Anything short of a photo/video, or admission on his part will fall into this category.

[mav1234]

Just now, Shocker said:

These are all civil lawsuits and none of them are criminal lawsuits and the DAs office said they have nothing on these at this time.

Looks bad but we really need this to play out in court.

The DAs office just has said they haven't been given material.  That doesn't tell us much though about if there is an active investigation though.

Agree on court.  But it doesn't look good.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Monrowed said:

Without evidence it is still “he said/she said”.  Anything short of a photo/video, or admission on his part will fall into this category.

Yeah...it doesn't work that way.

Courts don't say "well if there's no video, you can't prove it", not even civil ones.

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, Monrowed said:

Without evidence it is still “he said/she said”.  Anything short of a photo/video, or admission on his part will fall into this category.

Thats not how court works dude.

[Mage]

1 minute ago, Devil Doc said:

So is betting the farm... on a possible 3-8 game suspension worth the reward?

While I think a suspension is all but guaranteed based on how the NFL operates, I think it is far too early to say how likely it is Watson is traded or picked up by another team.  I really don't know.  

People can point at Ben Roethlisberger and say hey, he stuck around and people were cool with it.  But even that was a long time ago when you think about it.  Times have changed and optics have changed.  It is going to be very difficult for an NFL team to vouch for Watson if all of this turns out to be true.  

What Watson needs to happen at the very least is to get this settled before it gets to courts and hope that the DA of Houston chooses not to press charges after reviewing whatever Buzbee shows them.  Innocent or guilty, if this goes to a full-blown court proceedings then that is really going to hurt his potential NFL future.

[Devil Doc]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...it doesn't work that way.

Courts don't say "well if there's no video, you can't prove it", not even civil ones.

That is the thing... who knows how long this will take to be settled in court. An even if it does, and there is no fault, the NFL can still suspend. They have done it in the past. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Devil Doc said:

That is the thing... who knows how long this will take to be settled in court. An even if it does, and there is no fault, the NFL can still suspend. They have done it in the past. 

The NFL's standard of "proof" is basically believability.

If they think it could have happened, they can suspend you for it.

[Monrowed]

The real issue is that the lawyer went on social media fishing for evidence. The general rule is that you do not accuse someone of a crime then go get evidence.

Usually, the police have an instance of a crime and gather evidence to support a charge that would lead to a conviction. In this case, it is the opposite, hence that this is the reason that it is being pursued as a civil matter.

It seems that the lawyer is submitting information to the police in an effort to legitimize the civil complaints. I suspect that if Deshaun is not brought in for questioning and charged within the next week to ten days, then the evidence is weak and would not meet the criteria for a conviction in court.

[mav1234]

Just now, Monrowed said:

The real issue is that the lawyer went on social media fishing for evidence. The general rule is that you do not accuse someone of a crime then go get evidence.

Usually, the police have an instance of a crime and gather evidence to support a charge that would lead to a conviction. In this case, it is the opposite, hence that this is the reason that it is being pursued as a civil matter.

It seems that the lawyer is submitting information to the police in an effort to legitimize the civil complaints. I suspect that if Deshaun is not brought in for questioning and charged within the next week to ten days, then the evidence is weak and would not meet the criteria for a conviction in court.

Burden of proof is also different in civil vs criminal court.  It does help Watson a little if the police decline to pursue this, but it doesn't mean that he would be "cleared" in civil court 

[therealmjl]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Burden of proof is also different in civil vs criminal court.  It does help Watson a little if the police decline to pursue this, but it doesn't mean that he would be "cleared" in civil court 

Or “cleared” by the NFL - which makes him untouchable at the moment 

[Monrowed]

8 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Thats not how court works dude.

Oh really dude? In criminal court you need evidence of an actual crime or witnesses to a crime. As I said before, only in civil court would a lack of evidence lead to an unfavorable judgment. 

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, Monrowed said:

The real issue is that the lawyer went on social media fishing for evidence. The general rule is that you do not accuse someone of a crime then go get evidence.

Yeah the way it is being handled is scummy as hell.