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Time to Feel good about Elflein

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I dont know about this guy, i would rather draft one of these talented OGs in the draft than put faith in this guy. Like someone else said he gets bulldozed a lot and will get exposed in this division.  I have heard nothing but negative  reviews from nfl fanbase since we signed him. I dont think him or irving was improvement signings just depth. 

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Elf had a quality Rookie season back at Minnesota I think, but then injuries and the Jets blender turned his career into the Poor Grades he received from PFF. I think the deal he received is 3 years because it was easier to spread his money around for Cap Reasons. Maybe the change of scenery and (hopefully) better coaching will see him and Darnold succeed. I think both their success (and the whole team's chances really) may hinge on finding a quality player to line up at LT.

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5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I just watched some Darnold video and I was wondering why we took 3 players off this Jets team.  Then I remembered as a player and a coach, sometime you start watching one player and you notice another.  When I was watching an opposing team's film, I looked for the weaknesses on the OL/DL.  If I saw it, I knew I could exploit it.  When being recruited, I was often noticed by schools watching film on my teammate.  So I started watching #67 on some Darnold tapes.  He was not given much time, but man, Elf had some terrible OL around him.  They were not in sync often, but he demonstrated some intelligence and some nasty. 

Carolina Panthers Signing Former Ohio State Offensive Lineman Pat Elflein to Three-Year, $13.5 Million Contract | Eleven Warriors

 

Positives: Great technique. can not swim move him because he keeps his butt low and back straight--does not lunge or reach.  When stunt goes away from him, his head swivels inside to find the LB or help the C.  He repeatedly showed upper body strength and good mobility.  I did not see him pull, but I saw him take a DT from Left A gap to Right C gap in pass protection, creating a lane for Darnold to run for 20 yards. I saw him shove a Raider DT from A gap to C Gap with his right arm on the goal line.  Excellent footwork. Never off balance, obvious football intelligence based on his head movement (When we had Silatolu, I reported that he was confused and did not know where to look during a stunt--when this happens, expect this...he did not know.  Elf gets it.  He seems to have a bit of a nasty streak too.  He uses all he has on every play.  I NOW like this signing and see why we did it. 

Negatives:  He is not overwhelming and can get bull rushed a bit.  When you do not bend forward, making you susceptible to swimming or getting fooled with a stunt or blitz, there is a bit of a trade off.  So getting bull rushed is part of that balance.  Paradis has the same problem, but he has good balance most of the time.  I did not see Elf pull, but I do not see physical limitations to suggest he cannot. 

Analysis:  Remember Evan Mathis, the Guard Carolina released after drafting in the third round in 2005?  He went on to have a 12-year career, with a couple pro bowl appearances as a LG with the Eagles?  He was a G with the Broncos in Super Bowl 50?  That guy?  Well, he did not start getting it until he was about 27.  Elflein will be 27 in July.  I see Elflein as smarter, more disciplined, and just as aggressive.   All signs are pointing toward the light coming on here.  Put a good LT beside him and he will be really good.  Trust me.  As a C?  I think that may be his spot--but he is an upgrade.  We signed him on the first day of tampering because we were studying up on Darnold, and this guy jumps out at you--like a Nun at a biker rally.  I do not want to oversell him, but if you were like me and scratching your head about the 3-year deal, stop it.  You will see. 

Not sure about Erving--I think they like his ability to provide depth at all 5 spots.

 

Good stuff!!!!

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5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I just watched some Darnold video and I was wondering why we took 3 players off this Jets team.  Then I remembered as a player and a coach, sometime you start watching one player and you notice another.  When I was watching an opposing team's film, I looked for the weaknesses on the OL/DL.  If I saw it, I knew I could exploit it.  When being recruited, I was often noticed by schools watching film on my teammate.  So I started watching #67 on some Darnold tapes.  He was not given much time, but man, Elf had some terrible OL around him.  They were not in sync often, but he demonstrated some intelligence and some nasty. 

Carolina Panthers Signing Former Ohio State Offensive Lineman Pat Elflein to Three-Year, $13.5 Million Contract | Eleven Warriors

 

Positives: Great technique. can not swim move him because he keeps his butt low and back straight--does not lunge or reach.  When stunt goes away from him, his head swivels inside to find the LB or help the C.  He repeatedly showed upper body strength and good mobility.  I did not see him pull, but I saw him take a DT from Left A gap to Right C gap in pass protection, creating a lane for Darnold to run for 20 yards. I saw him shove a Raider DT from A gap to C Gap with his right arm on the goal line.  Excellent footwork. Never off balance, obvious football intelligence based on his head movement (When we had Silatolu, I reported that he was confused and did not know where to look during a stunt--when this happens, expect this...he did not know.  Elf gets it.  He seems to have a bit of a nasty streak too.  He uses all he has on every play.  I NOW like this signing and see why we did it. 

Negatives:  He is not overwhelming and can get bull rushed a bit.  When you do not bend forward, making you susceptible to swimming or getting fooled with a stunt or blitz, there is a bit of a trade off.  So getting bull rushed is part of that balance.  Paradis has the same problem, but he has good balance most of the time.  I did not see Elf pull, but I do not see physical limitations to suggest he cannot. 

Analysis:  Remember Evan Mathis, the Guard Carolina released after drafting in the third round in 2005?  He went on to have a 12-year career, with a couple pro bowl appearances as a LG with the Eagles?  He was a G with the Broncos in Super Bowl 50?  That guy?  Well, he did not start getting it until he was about 27.  Elflein will be 27 in July.  I see Elflein as smarter, more disciplined, and just as aggressive.   All signs are pointing toward the light coming on here.  Put a good LT beside him and he will be really good.  Trust me.  As a C?  I think that may be his spot--but he is an upgrade.  We signed him on the first day of tampering because we were studying up on Darnold, and this guy jumps out at you--like a Nun at a biker rally.  I do not want to oversell him, but if you were like me and scratching your head about the 3-year deal, stop it.  You will see. 

Not sure about Erving--I think they like his ability to provide depth at all 5 spots.

 

Just so long as he doesnt have an older brother starting at Center, im willing to get hurt again. 

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All I know is that if our new ex-Jets can improve as much as Robbie Anderson did after coming here then I think we will all likely be satisfied at the end of this season. I'll admit that I jumped on the Rhule wagon after his first press conference. That speech made me want to suit up and go play for him. Today, I am still on that wagon mostly do to 3 things. We were much better and more competitive than I expected. All of our young talent seemed to have improved which means good coaching usually and Anderson. He was supposed to be a 1 trick pony but Rhule said he thought he could do more and when he came here he did and had his best season. I'm looking forward to seeing this process continue as we bring in more young guys that haven't reached their potential yet and Rhule and co. continue to coach guys up. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Forgive me if I'm a bit cynical on this franchises ability to bring in competent oline free agents .  

This is Scott Fitterer's 1st season as GM. Do you feel it is within the spectrum of possibilities that he knows more than you?

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6 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

This is Scott Fitterer's 1st season as GM. Do you feel it is within the spectrum of possibilities that he knows more than you?

Its the typical lazy ass takes without a moment of thought. We are supposed to be superstitious I guess.

 

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