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The 4 Man Rush presents a Front Four Film Review on....... Pat Elflein vs. Pittsburgh Steelers

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The issue with this is that we seem to think scheme and offensive talent can make up for OL deficiencies. That's typically untrue. Teddy and the scheme masked a lot of issues with OL last season.

We will see how it works out this season.

You're making my point, those Patriot OLs were not world beaters as a unit, a lot of the talk was the scheme got the ball out on target, and on time. 

Darnold should be an upgrade ''talent'' wise over TB, and the offense as a whole is better. I mean really think about this aside from when Okung played, it was Little, and then Scott at LT, and the LG was UDFA in Chris Reed, Schofield and Daley who was hurt. 

Even though people are giving Erving a hard time, he is better than Little & Scott, and Elflien is better than Reed, and Schofield. Daley is a bit of a question mark as he looked serviceable at LT in 2019, but was hurt to much of 2020 to form an additional opinion. 

Now there was no depth on that 2020 line, now add in Christensen, and Brown two young promising guys. We are in better shape than last year, not great shape but better shape, if we were for the sake of aruement a 5/10 on the OL last year, one could make a case for 6/10 based on the projected starters, and 6.5/10 with the depth. 

That is a positive step, looking at the draft overall, we look to have landed some high quality guys in -- Horn / TMJ / Chuba / Tremble -- if that means we have Erving and Elflein this year, ok, as now we have more flexibility moving forward as other parts of the roster are more complete. Which means we can pay more attention to OL, not to mention the cap space we'll have available, to extend, and target a priority FA or 2. 

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3 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

You're making my point, those Patriot OLs were not world beaters as a unit, a lot of the talk was the scheme got the ball out on target, and on time. 

Darnold should be an upgrade ''talent'' wise over TB, and the offense as a whole is better. I mean really think about this aside from when Okung played, it was Little, and then Scott at LT, and the LG was UDFA in Chris Reed, Schofield and Daley who was hurt. 

Even though people are giving Erving a hard time, he is better than Little & Scott, and Elflien is better than Reed, and Schofield. Daley is a bit of a question mark as he looked serviceable at LT in 2019, but was hurt to much of 2020 to form an additional opinion. 

Now there was no depth on that 2020 line, now add in Christensen, and Brown two young promising guys. We are in better shape than last year, not great shape but better shape, if we were for the sake of aruement a 5/10 on the OL last year, one could make a case for 6/10 based on the projected starters, and 6.5/10 with the depth. 

That is a positive step, looking at the draft overall, we look to have landed some high quality guys in -- Horn / TMJ / Chuba / Tremble -- if that means we have Erving and Elflein this year, ok, as now we have more flexibility moving forward as other parts of the roster are more complete. Which means we can pay more attention to OL, not to mention the cap space we'll have available, to extend, and target a priority FA or 2. 

Yeah but even Brady took losses with pressure up the middle consistently. There is only so much you can scheme if you are bad. The Pats also didn't have bad OL's very often.

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27 minutes ago, Tbe said:


Right, we got what was available to us in FA.

The word during the draft was there were a number of upset coaches because we kept trading down and passing a OL prospects.

What I took from that is Fitts has a multi year plan. We had a ton of needs and knew we couldn’t address every position, so we stocked up on picks and took BPA at the picks we got. OL happened to fall the way it did.

 

Sort of. Elfien was an immediate FA signing. He wasn't the best guard available by far. This looked like a bad signing from day 1. 

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Sort of. Elfien was an immediate FA signing. He wasn't the best guard available by far. This looked like a bad signing from day 1. 


Who was available? Do you know where they went and for how much?

 

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1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

You're making my point, those Patriot OLs were not world beaters as a unit, a lot of the talk was the scheme got the ball out on target, and on time. 

Darnold should be an upgrade ''talent'' wise over TB, and the offense as a whole is better. I mean really think about this aside from when Okung played, it was Little, and then Scott at LT, and the LG was UDFA in Chris Reed, Schofield and Daley who was hurt. 

Even though people are giving Erving a hard time, he is better than Little & Scott, and Elflien is better than Reed, and Schofield. Daley is a bit of a question mark as he looked serviceable at LT in 2019, but was hurt to much of 2020 to form an additional opinion. 

Now there was no depth on that 2020 line, now add in Christensen, and Brown two young promising guys. We are in better shape than last year, not great shape but better shape, if we were for the sake of aruement a 5/10 on the OL last year, one could make a case for 6/10 based on the projected starters, and 6.5/10 with the depth. 

That is a positive step, looking at the draft overall, we look to have landed some high quality guys in -- Horn / TMJ / Chuba / Tremble -- if that means we have Erving and Elflein this year, ok, as now we have more flexibility moving forward as other parts of the roster are more complete. Which means we can pay more attention to OL, not to mention the cap space we'll have available, to extend, and target a priority FA or 2. 

Elflein is better than Reed and Schofield?  Based on what exactly?  Draft position? Name recognition? 
What about PFF scores? If you don’t buy into PFf did you actually watch every play of all 3 last year? 

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4 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

You're making my point, those Patriot OLs were not world beaters as a unit, a lot of the talk was the scheme got the ball out on target, and on time. 

Darnold should be an upgrade ''talent'' wise over TB, and the offense as a whole is better. I mean really think about this aside from when Okung played, it was Little, and then Scott at LT, and the LG was UDFA in Chris Reed, Schofield and Daley who was hurt. 

Even though people are giving Erving a hard time, he is better than Little & Scott, and Elflien is better than Reed, and Schofield. Daley is a bit of a question mark as he looked serviceable at LT in 2019, but was hurt to much of 2020 to form an additional opinion. 

Now there was no depth on that 2020 line, now add in Christensen, and Brown two young promising guys. We are in better shape than last year, not great shape but better shape, if we were for the sake of aruement a 5/10 on the OL last year, one could make a case for 6/10 based on the projected starters, and 6.5/10 with the depth. 

That is a positive step, looking at the draft overall, we look to have landed some high quality guys in -- Horn / TMJ / Chuba / Tremble -- if that means we have Erving and Elflein this year, ok, as now we have more flexibility moving forward as other parts of the roster are more complete. Which means we can pay more attention to OL, not to mention the cap space we'll have available, to extend, and target a priority FA or 2. 

 

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but even Brady took losses with pressure up the middle consistently. There is only so much you can scheme if you are bad. The Pats also didn't have bad OL's very often.

If not for Alex Gibbs, Dante Scarnecchia would have been the best OL coach in NFL history. Hes right there (2nd is not bad)and did more with less better than any other. 

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