Panther Trade Rumors

[joemac]

2 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I've seen comparisons to the previous regime, which I don't see. Fitt is constantly improving this team. Yes, I admit  the offensive line was overlooked yet again,  for whatever reason. I can only assume that they felt it was good enough to fit their offensive strategy. But at least they're still looking to improve it.

This roster had some many holes that it was silly.  You cannot reasonably expect the front office to fix every single issue with our roster in 1 off season, can you?  And its not like they didn't sign and draft people...its just that the people they did pick up have not exactly worked out.  Still wondering though how come we have not looked into Mitchell Schwartz or Russ Okung yet.  But I have confidence in our leadership that they see the problem and will do absolutely everything in their power to fix it.

[Shocker]

I specifically remember that CB was a serious need in the draft and I assume the Panthers thought Horn was a better player than someone like Slater.  Our secondary looks good now but didn’t then.  Horn definitely looked the part pre injury

We want to win now obviously but too many holes to fill atp.  We need another offseason and maybe more

Edited October 13, 2021 by Shocker

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

The problem with this premise is that it assumes there were legit options available with our salary cap constraints.  I hear you regarding injuries, I really do.  But peruse this list for a bit and be terrified:

https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2021G.php

I know, Walter football, they suck.  But it's just a list.  Hard to get that wrong.  The point is that as you read thru that list you see a lot of "wouldn't have cut him if he didn't have injury issues" or "dubious injury history" or "coming off a knee injury".

And even if Walter isn't that great, they had John Miller - yes, our John Miller - as the 13th rated free agent at Guard.  They had Chris Reed - yes, our Chris Reed - as the 15th rated Guard.  

It was just a scary and awful offseason to need IOL.  Look at the list man.  Who do you think we should have tried to sign?

I wouldn't have had issues with the signings had we signed them for at or near vet min after the primary wave of FA was over. That's how you sign those caliber of FAs. Reed signed for one year $1.1M with less than $200k guaranteed. We signed Elflein for three years  $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. That's a massive difference for similar caliber talents.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't have had issues with the signings had we signed them for at or near vet min after the primary wave of FA was over. That's how you sign those caliber of FAs. Reed signed for one year $1.1M with less than $200k guaranteed. We signed Elflein for three years  $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. That's a massive difference for similar caliber talents.

Agreed. Don't mind the players but the contracts were baffling especially considering it was day 1. I think the plan was to have Irving and Elfein start this year and rotate into a backup role or move Elfein to center after Paradis but that isn't looking so good right now. 

[mwright350]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't have had issues with the signings had we signed them for at or near vet min after the primary wave of FA was over. That's how you sign those caliber of FAs. Reed signed for one year $1.1M with less than $200k guaranteed. We signed Elflein for three years  $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. That's a massive difference for similar caliber talents.

Yeah I have more of an issue with the manner in which we signed who we did vs who we actually signed as well given what was available.  For as apparently calculated as this FO has been to this point these particular signings just smack of "poo our OL is awful" desperation - throw poo at the wall and see what sticks.  I dislike that approach on so many levels, even if I get the mindset behind it.

Not like we could not do anything but jeez...it looks bad looking back on it. 

Maybe John Miller is going to go super saiyan after he gets beat up enough.  I can dream...

[Jackie Lee]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't have had issues with the signings had we signed them for at or near vet min after the primary wave of FA was over. That's how you sign those caliber of FAs. Reed signed for one year $1.1M with less than $200k guaranteed. We signed Elflein for three years  $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. That's a massive difference for similar caliber talents.

Yup pff grade of 67.7 so far this year 

 

[Scott12345]

I wonder if Miller and Daley are really as bad as they seem

paradis is our problem….this guy totally sucks…and he is a captain!

[mwright350]

3 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

I wonder if Miller and Daley are really as bad as they seem

paradis is our problem….this guy totally sucks…and he is a captain!

I think they're probably all slightly better than they look (very, very slightly).  But if you put three black holes of suck next to each other they just exponentially increase the suck.

[Jackie Lee]

I wonder if Miller still has Covid fatigue, I know some people who still felt rough 6 months later

[BrianS]

1 hour ago, TDGone said:

Chris Reed look pretty good fir the Colt the other night they even mention that on the broadcast.They should have signed Joe Thuney and Drafted Slater in the first

Ah, so we should have spent more than 80 million on an IOL?  The guy was a Patriot - part of a perennial winner.  He went to the Chiefs, another team that has become a perennial contender.  What on EARTH makes anyone think we could have gotten him to come here.  For us to sign Thuney, we would have probably needed to offer 18 million a year over 5 years.  That's nutso money for IOL.

It does point out just how difficult last offseason was.  Thuney was really the only guy at guard you could look at and go "Yea, he's a lock to be good".  

[glenwo2]

2 hours ago, Louie said:

I really wanted an OT in the first round! When Sewell was picked I was deflated. Then I thought for sure Fitty would draft Slater. NOPE a CB. So, I thought, ok there are some good linemen left in the 2nd round. NOPE a WR! We already had DJ and Robby! This team has been absolutely awful on the Oline for years! If we had a good Oline we would have won the Super Bowl in 2015. I’m just sick of it!

Have you noticed how Sewell is playing lately?

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/10/penei-sewell-5/

Slater was the real loss here.

[Squid Game]

7 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

Have you noticed how Sewell is playing lately?

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/10/penei-sewell-5/

Slater was the real loss here.

I would’ve liked to have Sewell back in April but wasn’t never a fan of him in pass protection. He was known as a young kid who was athletic and played with a mean streak. He is great pulling out and leading the way in open field for his running back at Oregon. He needs to move inside to guard. 

[PantherPhann89]

2 hours ago, joemac said:

This roster had some many holes that it was silly.  You cannot reasonably expect the front office to fix every single issue with our roster in 1 off season, can you?  And its not like they didn't sign and draft people...its just that the people they did pick up have not exactly worked out.  Still wondering though how come we have not looked into Mitchell Schwartz or Russ Okung yet.  But I have confidence in our leadership that they see the problem and will do absolutely everything in their power to fix it.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I implied that our FO could fix everything in one season, but I a agree with the rest. I don't think that Okung played very much when he was here due to injuries. 

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't have had issues with the signings had we signed them for at or near vet min after the primary wave of FA was over. That's how you sign those caliber of FAs. Reed signed for one year $1.1M with less than $200k guaranteed. We signed Elflein for three years  $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. That's a massive difference for similar caliber talents.

How did you know they would be available to sign at vet minimum after the first wave of FA?  Do you assume we were the only team interested in them and we had the luxury of waiting them out to get them at vet minimum?