Looking ahead to this offseason *Warning* Not for the Weak Stomach

[Shocker]

Sam is talked about as throw away garbage but he played well to start the season.  This atrocious OL caught up with him but no way I just discard him with no other options.  Keep him here with Cam and cut PJ who is obviously not a pro QB

Also, why is Matt Barkley here?  Mind boggling 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Shocker

[Catsfan69]

Just now, ncfan said:

You do realize that that we don’t get a comp for Donte walking until the 2023 draft.

even then.  I doubt we get a 3rd.

Lol OK I stand corrected.  One third.

Comp picks, salary cap and practice squad rules I definitely need to brush up on.

[beo]

1 hour ago, Stuart Smith said:

The question of who to sign with our free agents may be answered for us. Some that we might want to keep may decide to move on to a team that had a winning record this year. Without changes to our coaching staff it may also be hard for us to attract free agents. 

That's definitely possible. I was speaking from more of an ideal perspective, but that tweet Gilmore's wife put out of a few days ago about the CMC injury didn't seem encouraging regarding his retention.  I just don't know if we can keep both Reddick and Gilmore, if we do it will have to be done in conjunction with other cap saving moves because they will both want 15m if not more and that's before resigning anyone else, free agency and the draft. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by beo

[mrcompletely11]

27 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

In my fantasy?

Sam restructures because he is a guy that wants to succeed unlike guys that just want to collect a check. So he bets on himself like Reddick did this year.

Cmac restructures to help the team get olineman because he knows that the better they are the better he plays thus not only improving future earnings off the field but also cementing his legacy in pursuit of becoming the GOAT RB and getting that gold jacket to go with his two rings.

 

The 2 thirds come from the trade down and letting Djax walk. That's 2 thirds. Or a 2nd and a third if you think we can pull it.

Djax comp pick would be next draft 2023

[Eazy-E]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible, but he's honestly already pretty high up in the food chain and there's not much in the way of open spots.

He was here before Fitts was hired correct?

[Shocker]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Djax comp pick would be next draft 2023

Could be some comp picks but we almost have to sign some big name OL right?  Kinda fugs that up

[ncfan]

23 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Djax comp pick would be next draft 2023

In fact.  I don’t think we even get any comps this year.

per over the cap, we dont

 

 

[Catsfan69]

26 minutes ago, beo said:

That's definitely possible. I was speaking from more of an ideal perspective, but that tweet Gilmore's wife put out of a few days ago about the CMC injury didn't seem encouraging regarding his retention.  I just don't know if we can keep both Reddick and Gilmore, if we do it will have to be done in conjunction with other cap saving moves because they will both want 15m if not more and that's before resigning anyone else, free agency and the draft. 

What was her tweet?

[beo]

2 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

What was her tweet?

Could just be nothing and it's being read into too much but it didn't strike me in a positive way, lol.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Eazy-E said:

He was here before Fitts was hired correct?

He was one of the internal candidates for the job.

[Second_Solution]

it's honestly crazy how much the coaches and front office has missed/fugged up in one off season. They have seriously done years of damage. Get ready for the long haul ladies and gents

[Davidson Deac II]

I am not sure I agree that the roster is as bad as some of you think.  If Horne comes back healthy, the secondary should be ok.  The line backers and dline could use some tweaks, but the core is good enough to win games.  And our defense is young and should get better.  

 

We need a qb, and some upgrades on the oline. Wont be easy of course, and I don't trust the coaching staff to do the assessments on the offensive side, but we are not desperate.  

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Davidson Deac II

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Sam is talked about as throw away garbage but he played well to start the season.  This atrocious OL caught up with him but no way I just discard him with no other options.  Keep him here with Cam and cut PJ who is obviously not a pro QB

Also, why is Matt Barkley here?  Mind boggling 

He has good value as a 2nd/3rd rounder experiment but he screams career backup to me.

[pantherj]

We're going to be bad for the next couple of seasons assuming we fail to acquire Watson.

What's wrong? Phase one of our rebuild has failed. The first part of our rebuild was to create a top quality defense. We now have the core of our defense in place, and yet our defense can be completely run over and dominated. That means that the defensive rebuild has failed, and next season we'll still have the same core, and that means the defense will still be below average. You can't gut core without completely restating a multi-season rebuild, and if the core can't even stop the run, let alone the pass, then it's essentially over. We're toast.

What to do? We can't replace the core of the defense unless we totally reboot and let the current core walk or cut them. That won't happen. That means we have to replace non-core players with other non-core players on defense and hope somehow that works. We don't have the draft picks to add more core players to the defense in this draft, and spending our sole 1st round pick on the defense would be insane. Tinkering and the return of Horn have to produce a better defense, but we can't stop the run, and Horn won't change that.

Our offense is better than a few of the worst teams in the NFL, but that's about it. Spending our 1st round pick on a LT will not fix our offense. The core of the offense is already in place. We can add a potential core player on the o-line with the draft, but that won't be anywhere near enough to make the offense even average. Drafting a QB is a possibility, but that means more losing seasons as he learns how to play. Even then, he could be a bust.

This is unfixable and I warned of this happening. We NEVER should have started bringing in journeymen  veteran QBs. All they do is keep your team out of the top of the NFL draft, and thus you miss out on the top QB prospects. This is how you end up in QB limo, a state where you are not bad enough to draft the top QBs, but not good enough to make the playoffs. This is the last thing you want to happen because there is no end in sight. QB limbo can be maintained for multiple seasons and you end up with zero to show for it. Nothing. No star QB, no trophies, no great memories, nothing. You'll have trouble even remembering the last 3 seasons, or the next 3 seasons. Limbo. Pointless.

It doesn't help matters that our coaches are below average. That's bad, but a great QB can make them look good. Now it's over until with get new coaches, or a great QB.