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7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Too early. Take either, whichever is better. We need both so it's easy and completely on the evaluation...which is what I fear from this group. 

If we keep Rhule, just play Sam into another top 10 pick. Trade back and get an OG or 2 and a C. If we get a new HC and keep the GM, it will be a QB (that guy doesn't know jack about olinemen). If we clean this stain away completely then anything could happen. 

 

I'm getting increasingly nervous that they're going to keep Rhule and march Sam out for another 17 games next season behind Erving-Jordan-Elflein-Christensen-Moton, but at least at that point the next staff could come in with as close to a clean slate as we've seen.

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28 minutes ago, frankw said:

Definitely possible but we hear that most years. It's still very early. I guess it's just a matter of perspective. We've been kicking the can down the road on both left tackle and quarterback for years now. Should have made our move for one the last two years. It is insanity that we haven't. But there are no guarantees about who will be there available to us in 2023 either.

Taking a QB in the top 10 this season would assure our spot at as the new Browns. 

Which, TBH, we probably are.

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God how did the Panthers once again screw up a perfect time to rebuild?

If we are trying to get better long term, trade back and bulking up the OL is the correct move.  I don't care if it's C, G, or LT...we need to grab some players there and stop treating the OL like the Safety position.

Trade back, unless there is a top LT at 8...and my hunch is if there would be one...he will go before our pick...grab Guards and Centers if needed, hopefully recoup a day two pick and again, G/C/T is my choice there.

We are enamored with our CB's and WR's, but don't have the big guys to make them successful, we must build from the inside.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Taking a QB in the top 10 this season would assure our spot at as the new Browns. 

Which, TBH, we probably are.

Might as well. Sadly we already are. Fleeced by the Jets in a trade for the worst starting qb in the league and now the worst team in our division...again.

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30 minutes ago, Icege said:

I'm getting increasingly nervous that they're going to keep Rhule and march Sam out for another 17 games next season behind Erving-Jordan-Elflein-Christensen-Moton, but at least at that point the next staff could come in with as close to a clean slate as we've seen.

We would lose so much more than  just a year. Who that we want to keep will lose their minds? Who would resign here? We are already seeing the stress the losing is creating. It can get a lot worse, I'm hoping it doesn't.

I hope we don't see that but I'm trying to prepare myself if we do. Only bright spot, we would get  top5 pick. Everything is in regression and the opposite of what was pitched when Rhule was hired.

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Take the top LT in the draft or trade down a little for extra pics . Only take a QB if you are certain he is the franchise QB .  Trade a CB to a team of need for a pic or vet O-line player .  Keep Cam if he gives a team friendly deal .  Trade PJ Walker if possible and let Jackson walk .  Move CMC to the slot . Move Chinn back to LB or CB . Keep Fits and find a new coach .

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Not sure if anyone is paying attention, but only one QB in last year's highly-touted QB draft is looking like he actually belongs. And he (Mac Jones) was the last QB drafted in the 1st round. 

Mac Jones isn't the most talented QB in last year's draft. He simply landed in the best situation. We can not expect a 20-23 year old to come in and save this franchise by himself. That ain't happening in the cuurent state - not even with can't-miss guys like Trevor Lawrence. 

The defense is good enough if all things remain equal. Beef up the offensive line - as in every draft pick and any remaining cap space (even CMC, DJ, etc. as trade bait for players or picks). Roll with Cam, Darnold, PJ at the QB position until we're a good QB away from being a contender. Good teams make average QBs look great. Bad teams make great QBs look bad. 

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17 minutes ago, catnip said:

Take the top LT in the draft or trade down a little for extra pics . Only take a QB if you are certain he is the franchise QB .  Trade a CB to a team of need for a pic or vet O-line player .  Keep Cam if he gives a team friendly deal .  Trade PJ Walker if possible and let Jackson walk .  Move CMC to the slot . Move Chinn back to LB or CB . Keep Fits and find a new coach .

I agree for the most part.  I'd roll with Darnold and Cam.  We won't get anything for PJ.  But between Reddick, Jackson, Gilmore, Jones, Carter, Thomas, we should be able to get some decent comp picks for 2023.  Maybe a 3rd and 5th to go along with Jacksonville's 4th next year.  That should give us some ammunition to grab a QB next year after we win 6 games again.

I like moving CMC to slot.  Maybe we get more production that way. 

Draft the best OL we can get in round 1.  Between Moton, 1st Round Rookie, Christianson, Brown, Elflein, Erving we should be able to piece together a line that is not too embarrassing.

Stay away from Free Agency.  Maybe use money to extend some guys we like but don't waste any more money except for 5-10 m. for Cam.

In 2023 we'll have Darnold off the books, more flexibility in dealing with CMC, and a ton of draft capital and cap room to get our QB and target our needs.  We just need to suck it up for a year.

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Just now, blackcat said:

They're tied to Darnold next year, bottom line.  They need to put every possible resource towards the OL and roll with Cam and Sam.

 

 

This more and more what I'm starting to expect to be the approach for next season.

Rhule and company have attached their wagon to Sam Darnold, and with the lack of resources available in 2022 compared to 2023 I can see them doing what they can to try and improve the OL with the excuse being that Brady's system was advertised as being a way to work around a deficient line.

As it currently stands, I'm all in on Evan Neal, Tyler Linderbaum, Ikem Ekwonu, Kenyon Green, Charles Cross, and Jaxson Kirkland. Unfortunately, that means that I'm expecting the staff to covet Cade Mays for his "versatility."

If the team opts to not go LT in the 1st (TYLER LINDERBAUM PLS), I wouldn't mind using one of the day 3 picks on Obinna Eze out of TCU.

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