Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Christmas Updates: Tepper—you’re losing fans


davos
 Share

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So...after Matt Rhule is fired, then 🤔

I for one will still watch even if Rhule is the coach but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that my monetary and time investment would be much more than it is currently if he was shown the door.

Tepper’s unwillingness to admit that he made a mistake is similar in fashion to a captain going down with his ship after making a fatal error… I worry that our situation gets worse before it gets better.

Edited by MillionDollarCam
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

No owner is this dumb. 

I wouldn't bank on that.

6 hours ago, Fox007 said:

Its from posers who have never actually done so. Its really is hilarious. More entertaining than the Panthers thats for sure.

I'm not gonna criticize someone for not wanting to spend their hard earned money on sh-tty football.

Nobody here owes David Tepper a damn thing.

  • Pie 4
  • Beer 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not gonna criticize someone for not wanting to spend their hard earned money on sh-tty football.

Nobody here owes David Tepper a damn thing.

It actually does amaze me that this is even a thing that a brain can do. Scientists should really look into it.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

Someone on Facebook was offering 6 tickets for free.  Taking free tickets still means you have to spend money on food and drinks and it ain’t cheap.

Factor in parking and travel expenses as well (for those that live in Raleigh, Asheville, Greensboro, Wilmington, etc.).

A Panthers game suddenly turns into a financial burden rather than a fun day with the way they are performing.

I can watch them get murdered perfectly fine from my couch while eating Christmas leftovers.

  • Pie 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don’t blame the OP’s dad for selling the PSL’s. They are likely to be obsolete in a few years when Tepper starts the new stadium talk. 
 

With that said, Tepper isn’t losing fans. This is just what happens when you have a lame duck coach with no QB. There’s no interest because the product is bad. Tepper sees that and will likely make changes this off-season, by at least stripping Rhule of his roster control. That likely won’t be enough and Rhule will be fired next year but we will all be back and excited about the direction of the team under the new head coach. 
 

this is no different than 2010 or 2019. 

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/26/2021 at 2:49 PM, SizzleBuzz said:
On 12/26/2021 at 2:18 PM, FuFuLamePoo said:

I just don’t like how your family member mentioned sells all their tickets anyways, which probably end up in the hands of fans of opposing teams 

TFB for you 😉

PSL Update:   Date > # of Listings > Total # of Seats Represented

11/7/21 > 640 > 1625

11/8/21 > 646 > 1,642

11/9/21 > 648 > 1,646 (peak)

[Cam Signed]

11/11/21 > 637 > 1,614

11/17/21 > 629 > 1,584

12/3/21 > 617 > 1,529 

12/14/21 > 605 > 1,489

12/26/21 > 603 > 1,490

Of those who are ready to ABANDON SHIP only a microscopic sliver are PSL holders...

...if you happen to be one of those 6 or 8 folks the market is active, might be a good time to sell.

https://panthers.strmarketplace.com/Permanent-Seat-Licenses/For-Sale.aspx

Update:

11/9/21 > 648 > 1,646 (peak)

[Cam Signed]

11/11/21 > 637 > 1,614

11/17/21 > 629 > 1,584

12/3/21 > 617 > 1,529 

12/14/21 > 605 > 1,489

12/26/21 > 603 > 1,490

12/27/21 > 599 > 1,472

12/28/21 > 597 > 1,468

 

Alert!

SELLER'S MARKET!

All the "I'm gone" crowd --- now is a great time to ABANDON SHIP!!

 

Edited by SizzleBuzz
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/25/2021 at 7:33 PM, davos said:

Didn’t want to post on Xmas but this is interesting…

So my pops got PSLs year 1, our name is on the north entry Panther statue, his company on the east. He is officially selling all of his PSLs. The opinion on it is simple:  He thinks they are boring, doesn’t care, and simply doesn’t think we have competent people at the helm. He is simply done. I’m chicago these days, don’t care a ton but love my Panthers from far away.

Tepper is losing the people who helped build this franchise.  Christmas conversations lasted maybe 30 seconds on the team. EVERYONE hates Matt Rhule to the point where they don’t even wanna talk about him. Crap dude with no plan.

Happy Holidays.
 

Tepper's response to the premise of your thread would probably be :

 

the wolf of wall street idgaf GIF

At the end of the day, he's a wealthy mofo and that's good enough for him apparently.

It would take the entire fanbase just not buying PSL's or whatever for him to get off his ass and actually do something.   And I don't see THAT happening as there are too many diehards.

Edited by glenwo2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/25/2021 at 9:29 PM, MillionDollarCam said:

Spending your Sunday and your hard earned money on a poo product whether it’s a football game, movie, shopping trip, etc. doesn’t make you a good fan or a cool person... it makes you a fugging idiot

While I don't think it's right to condemn the fans who have tuned out as "Not True Fans" I also don't think it's right for you to label all the people who tune into the games as idiots. Personally I watch every game I have the possibility to. If I wasn't watching the Panthers game I'd be watching another game so why not even despite how painful it has been to watch lately.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/25/2021 at 7:41 PM, davos said:

Well to be fair, he sells most tix living out of state but they aren’t flying back on the Douglas strip anymore. It’s a big loss

Wait, so you both live out of state, and you sell most of your tickets anyway? So what you're saying is that you're no longer going to be the ones reselling those seats on the secondary market? Not a real compelling argument that the Panthers are actually losing fans in any meaningful way. 

I'd like Matt Rhule replaced as well, but the level of breath-holding and foot-stomping that you guys are doing is silly. Don't take this the wrong way, but no one(decision-makers for the Panthers) cares if you stop reselling those seats, or that American Airlines is losing a few roundtrip CHI-CLT airfares. 

It's almost as silly as those people that write long posts about how they're not going to post on the Huddle anymore. 

It's just a game y'all! It doesn't really matter. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, ichigo1057 said:

While I don't think it's right to condemn the fans who have tuned out as "Not True Fans" I also don't think it's right for you to label all the people who tune into the games as idiots. Personally I watch every game I have the possibility to. If I wasn't watching the Panthers game I'd be watching another game so why not even despite how painful it has been to watch lately.

I will continue to watch as well, from the comfort of my own home. I’m also intelligent enough to understand that watching from my home is not the equivalent to what the OP’s family had been doing.

The OP’s financial obligations to the Panthers are a lot more hefty than mine. So if the OP decides that he wants to sell his PSL’s then that’s perfectly fine and it doesn’t make him any less of a fan.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Exactly what I was going to say. Brady seems to be taking a page out of Olsen's playbook, which is probably a good thing. They'll probably get around to giving Brady an Emmy one day, and he should thank Olsen for giving him the blueprint for success.
    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
×
×
  • Create New...