Panthers taking offers for Cmac in the off-season

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Lol you just know if we do trade him he’s not going to miss another game for the rest of his career.

And moved to the slot, catching screens and other scat back type passes for half his snaps while a bruiser gets the tough yards up the middle…behind a below average oline making the Panthers line look like pee wee footballs…dominating for the next half decade.

Damn you Rhule and Rivera

Edited January 7, 2022 by onmyown

[KatsAzz]

There is a good argument that the Carolina Panthers need to move on from McCaffrey’s massive contract after next year.

Why not just part ways after this season, following two injury-riddled seasons? Because McCaffrey’s dead cap would be excruciating for the Panthers to pay out next season, at $26.6 million.

Teams use creative accounting to keep cap space every year by restructuring contracts and converting bonus to salary, but they always have to count guaranteed money as cap space, hence why McCaffrey’s dead cap hit this offseason would be so large.

By keeping McCaffrey around for 2022 the Panthers pay his $14.3 million cap hit and ideally get good production out of him and can even trade him at the deadline. Or, after 2022, the team can part ways and pay the $12.8 million dead cap hit, spreading it over two years in a post-June 1 move if they so desire.

The Panthers would almost certainly anticipate such a move by drafting a running back in the third round next season, providing insurance for McCaffrey’s departure.

It’s likely not the nicest thought for all of us loyal Panthers fans, but a seemingly unavoidable reality in the modern NFL.

Edited January 8, 2022 by KatsAzz

[Rubi]

8 hours ago, PanthersATL said:

That's not what Olivia says.  Hey-o!

She’s the reason his body is falling apart 

[Ivan The Awesome]

This needed to happen 2 years ago...fuging morons. 

[pantherj]

There are a few teams that are one piece away from a possible SB run, so we might be able to unload him when trading resumes in March. The problem is that his contract is insane, and his body is fragile by NFL RB standards. We're not a CMC away from a playoff birth, so unloading vets, even CMC, is a good idea at this point. We need to become even younger because we're in a hopeless rebuilding phase, or more accurately, the QB limbo I have been warning about since we signed Teddy.

[ichigo1057]

Personally, I'm sick of finding good players just to eventually trade them or release them and they go to another team and show the fug out and embarrass us. I'd much rather keep him and actually be smart with him for once and NOT give him the ball 100 times over the course of 7 games without even including all the passes we throw to him. Hell last season it was 60 times over the course of just 3 games. If we wouldn't drive him into the ground all the time he wouldn't be as prone to injury.

[pantherj]

9 minutes ago, ichigo1057 said:

Personally, I'm sick of finding good players just to eventually trade them or release them and they go to another team and show the fug out and embarrass us. I'd much rather keep him and actually be smart with him for once and NOT give him the ball 100 times over the course of 7 games without even including all the passes we throw to him. Hell last season it was 60 times over the course of just 3 games. If we wouldn't drive him into the ground all the time he wouldn't be as prone to injury.

You may get your wish as we may not be able to find a trade partner. Teams typically try to low ball Fitt, and ask the world of him for their guys, see the Darnold trade. YEEEOOOW that one hurt. The Jets had ZERO offers and would have released Sam had they not ripped us off for a 2nd and 4th. Fitt got angry during the last draft because a flood of teams called trying to rip him off. The word is out that he's vulnerable to bad deals.

Edited January 8, 2022 by pantherj

[AU-panther]

8 hours ago, CRA said:

CMC is a 26 million dead cap hit next year.   We ain't trading him next year.  Maybe in 2023 we can look to part with him. 

Nevermind, maybe we will.  Because Matt Rhule is in charge.  And Matt Rhule does Matt Rhule things.  Because Matt Rhule is the worst. 

 

7 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

CMC has a 2022 DEAD CAP hit of -- 26M to keep it simple -- 14M is his salary in 2022 -- so you'd be looking at a NEGATIVE cap hit of 12M aka you nerfed your own cap by doing this. (via Spotrac)

Only way for something like this to work is to take ''less'' value in a trade so the receiving team will take on more of his GUARANTEED SALARY to lessen the dead cap hit -- I see little market for a HB that hasn't played a full season since 2019, and has the price tag he does.

The money doesn't make sense -- we have DJ / Reddick / Jackson / Gilmore all to consider for extensions, and we need to add OL -- we can't afford to create negative cap space. We also owe Darnold 18.8M -- if we trade anything, we likely trade our 6th overall pick to acquire more draft stock because that will be the best way to add quality OL at a premium to the roster.

trading him after June 1st would actually free up cap space next year, around $8.6m

His cap hit next year is supposed to be $14.3m, if he is traded after June 1st his cap hit would be 5.7m in 2022, so a savings of around $8.6m.

Since it was a post June 1st cut you would $12.8m in dead money still to account for in 2023, which would be less than the $17.7m he is expected to be on the books for that year.

Also his contract really wouldn't be that bad for a team that trades for him.  You have to remember that we have already paid his signing bonus.  The next team would basically get him for 4yrs/44m with only $8.1m guaranteed in the form of 2022 salary.  $11m a year isn't crazy for one of the better playmakers in the league according to some.  Especially a team that thinks they are in Super Bowl contention.

Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

 

 

 

 

[KatsAzz]

There is a good argument that the Carolina Panthers need to move on from McCaffrey’s massive contract after next year.

Why not just part ways after this season, following two injury-riddled seasons? Because McCaffrey’s dead cap would be excruciating for the Panthers to pay out next season, at $26.6 million.

Teams use creative accounting to keep cap space every year by restructuring contracts and converting bonus to salary, but they always have to count guaranteed money as cap space, hence why McCaffrey’s dead cap hit this offseason would be so large.

By keeping McCaffrey around for 2022 the Panthers pay his $14.3 million cap hit and ideally get good production out of him and can even trade him at the deadline. Or, after 2022, the team can part ways and pay the $12.8 million dead cap hit, spreading it over two years in a post-June 1 move if they so desire.

The Panthers would almost certainly anticipate such a move by drafting a running back in the third round next season providing insurance for McCaffrey’s departure.

It’s likely not the nicest thought for all of us loyal Panthers fans, but a seemingly unavoidable reality in the modern NFL.

[KatsAzz]

https://nflspinzone.com/2022/01/07/christian-mccaffrey-teams-trade-rumors/?fbclid=IwAR2t3bdeWWU6uEKB5H2oC5MmuM0aoXkgbfQOnY33e3kqSkVvUZCmIZc0Vs8

Christian McCaffrey: 3 Teams that could trade for Panthers running back

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Edited January 8, 2022 by KatsAzz

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

3 hours ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Lol you just know if we do trade him he’s not going to miss another game for the rest of his career.

We can't let go of anybody without them coming back and skullfuging us.

Julius Peppers, Steve Smith, Ron Rivera (who beat us this season but also fuged us over by losing to us last year), and soon to be CMC.  If we go through with it somebody's going to pick him up for like a conditional 5th and yeah, the Panthers have seemingly caused some kind of cosmic disruption somewhere along the way and he'll be an iron man for the rest of his career.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, ichigo1057 said:

Personally, I'm sick of finding good players just to eventually trade them or release them and they go to another team and show the fug out and embarrass us. 

When has this actually happened? Historically, overpaying our own guys to keep them well past their prime has been a far bigger issue.

 

[ichigo1057]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When has this actually happened? Historically, overpaying our own guys to keep them well past their prime has been a far bigger issue.

 

The big disconnect here is I don't believe CMC is past his prime but instead over used thus creating the injury problem. As for former players, just look at how many former Panthers are doing really well on the Bills. Heck just look at Andrew Norwell, he did well here, we let him go, he got signed by the Jaguars and still played well (although be it on another shitty team) and now we have the tragedy that we have on our line now. 

I'm not saying that we shouldn't ever trade or let players go for fear of them showing out on another team though. I just think that the issue with CMC can be rectified if we didn't drive him into the ground. It's crazy to think that in only 5 seasons, in 58 games, we've handed him the ball 781 times to run as well as thrown it to him 439 times.

[Panthercougar68]

1 hour ago, pantherj said:

You may get your wish as we may not be able to find a trade partner. Teams typically try to low ball Fitt, and ask the world of him for their guys, see the Darnold trade. YEEEOOOW that one hurt. The Jets had ZERO offers and would have released Sam had they not ripped us off for a 2nd and 4th. Fitt got angry during the last draft because a flood of teams called trying to rip him off. The word is out that he's vulnerable to bad deals.

Sweet speculation bro