Reddick or Burns, who you keeping? Why?

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That thought's crossed my mind.

Haven't really sat down to flesh out how practical it'd be.

Snow's D is just too light without that extra guy up front. I would be interested to see what you come up with. Hell, even a 3-3-5 would be better (with Chinn it's really 3-3.5-4.5). It would also be swell if the 2 or 3 guys upfront were getting more push. 

[WarPanthers89]

Keep Burns. The guy is still growing into the position and adding muscle. He will only get better with time and will always produce around 10 sacks or more if he continues to grow into the role (HE IS ONLY 23 years old!!!!!!) Reddick should be tagged and traded for picks 

[WarPanthers89]

1 hour ago, Zaximus said:

Reddick.  Burns hasn't improved.  He's still the same guy that is iffy against the run and whiffs on a lot of plays.  He's not bad by any measure but Reddick feels like a more complete player.  If we can't keep Reddick, obviously keep Burns.  But if you can sign Reddick and get picks this year for Burns (we desperately need them) that may be worth it.  It's a hard choice because Burns "could" leave and fix these issues and get better but he also could never improve.  Reddick is probably what he's always going to be and is the better player right now imo.  Ages does have to factor though and we aren't winning a Super Bowl next year etc.

Burns is already producing close to 10 sacks per year and is still growing and learning the ways of the NFL. He’s also the younger than some rookies coming out (the guy is 23 years old). He’s a building block for a team if I’ve ever seen one.

Edited January 14, 2022 by WarPanthers89

[Zaximus]

18 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Burns is already producing close to 10 sacks per year and is still growing and learning the ways of the NFL. He’s also the younger than some rookies coming out (the guy is 23 years old). He’s a building block for a team if I’ve ever seen one.

He hasn't learned anything, he's the same player he was when we drafted him.  He's good no doubt, not saying that.  But he misses more sacks than he gets each season and is a liability in the run game.  But I agree he COULD have more potential and is younger.

[RJK]

I guess burns but he’s massively overrated. The undersized DEs experiment didn’t work 

[WarPanthers89]

14 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

He hasn't learned anything, he's the same player he was when we drafted him.  He's good no doubt, not saying that.  But he misses more sacks than he gets each season and is a liability in the run game.  But I agree he COULD have more potential and is younger.

I respect your opinion but I think you are selling him short a little bit. Again he is 23 and look at some stats from all edge defenders from the 2020 and 2021 season and this is where he lands:

Burns among edge defenders | 2020-21

Pass Rush Grade	84.7	11th
Total Pressures	120	9th
Sacks	19	12th
Pass Rush Productivity	8.2	14th
Pressure Percentage	14.2%	16th
Batted Passes	6	7th
Forced Fumbles	5	7th
Defensive Stops	58	12th

 

[Zaximus]

2 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

I respect your opinion but I think you are selling him short a little bit. Again he is 23 and look at some stats from all edge defenders from the 2020 and 2021 season and this is where he lands:

Burns among edge defenders | 2020-21

Pass Rush Grade	84.7	11th
Total Pressures	120	9th
Sacks	19	12th
Pass Rush Productivity	8.2	14th
Pressure Percentage	14.2%	16th
Batted Passes	6	7th
Forced Fumbles	5	7th
Defensive Stops	58	12th

 

I'm not really arguing any of that.  But how many times do we see this guy just run right past the play and contribute nothing?  He should have 20 sacks a year honestly.  But I don't disagree he's young and there IS potential, and a lot of it possibly.  

 

[Knaakedup]

5 hours ago, stirs said:

We have no identity on defense.

We have a mix of 34 and 43 guys and sometimes look great, other times look horrible.

We probably need to decide who we are on defense before signing guys to long term deals because 50% of the time, they look good

If we run a 34, then Burns and Reddick will be great as OLB's, if not.....

Agreed here. Burns is meant for a 3-4. He doesn't have the size for what we're trying to do and it shows in run support. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, thunderraiden said:

Burns to the Eagles for two first round picks in 2022. Let it be so.

If philly is willing to part with one of those first round picks i would be interested. And im a burns fan. 

[Snake]

We should have traded Burns last year. He's not a complete DE but is a great rush artist. We could have gotten a 1st back for him at least. Now we get nothing. 

[Jon Snow]

Neither. Take the comp picks and find real DE's and not hybrid LB's.

[Fox007]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Neither. Take the comp picks and find real DE's and not hybrid LB's.

Well we still got burns for 2 more years...3rd comp for Reddick who will get paid unless they Panther the poo up

[Cdparr7]

We can’t afford Haason and an OL. Need to We can afford Luvu, Haynes and a OL and Burns is still under contract.

[Jon Snow]

55 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Well we still got burns for 2 more years...3rd comp for Reddick who will get paid unless they Panther the poo up

I would flip Burns for draft picks myself.  But that's just me.