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Wait, it doesn't take 7 years to make a winning team?!?!?!??!?!?!?


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12 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

This is the worst example ever. LOL. The Bengals is exactly the point you don’t want to make to fire Rhule. They stayed with their boy and look what happened. Again, not sticking up for Rhule, but he said the 7 years it took Jay Z was an example of sticking with the process. Sheesh. This won’t age well if the Panthers make a big leap year 3 like the Bengals do. Yikes 

I won't have to worry about that

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8 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

10 wins against 4 in a division with Brady and Brees, absolutely different story. Just saying, sometimes riding with a guy for a few years is better than blowing it up every 2… only time will tell. Bengals is a poo example. If you don’t think so your Rhule hatred is clouding your inbred thought process. 

 

15 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

This is the worst example ever. LOL. The Bengals is exactly the point you don’t want to make to fire Rhule. They stayed with their boy and look what happened. Again, not sticking up for Rhule, but he said the 7 years it took Jay Z was an example of sticking with the process. Sheesh. This won’t age well if the Panthers make a big leap year 3 like the Bengals do. Yikes 

Rhule sure has done well to set us up for a strong year 3.😂

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20 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

10 wins against 4 in a division with Brady and Brees, absolutely different story. Just saying, sometimes riding with a guy for a few years is better than blowing it up every 2… only time will tell. Bengals is a poo example. If you don’t think so your Rhule hatred is clouding your inbred thought process. 

Well first of all, We have won only 3 division games the past two years, not 4, and none of those wins came against Brady or Brees, so I'd learn to count before you call someone else inbred.

1 win against Jameis and the Saint's second team thanks to covid this year

2 wins against the Falcons who we have split the series with the past two seasons and they are still overall better than us the past two years (11 wins to our 10).

0 Wins against Brees or Brady.

Secondly, There are better examples than the Bengals, won't argue that, because we are going into year 3 and year 3 is when the Bengals finally made the post season (Cowboys, Eagles, Bills, Rams, Browns, Titans are all better more recent examples). But again, the Bengals were in better shape entering year 3 than we currently are. 

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Tepper definately believes in the theory of bread and circuses.  This years circus was bringing Cam back and a bit of tech crap at BOA.  Long as he can keep the mass of casual observers distracted he'll pocket his cash and be happy.  Doesn't matter if we field a winning team.  Keeping rhule another season is all the proof you need of that.

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You don't need 1st round OLs

You don't need a 1st round QB

You don't need 1st round WRs

You don't need 1st round RBs

 

You need to accumulate the most draft capital in the league

You need 1st round top talent defensive leadership

You need mid round offensive leadership

You need offensive playmakers with good hands and patience

You need a good kicker

You need top coaches who can manage the best leaders in the game, prepare their team, make halftime adjustments, and most importantly establish a CHAMPIONSHIP CULTURE with 9 core leaders who all play on the same frequency and respect one another more than they respect their coach, GM, and ownership.

... and you need a GM who understands these key foundational pieces to a championship team.

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5 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Not defending anyone

 

4 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

It’s not Matt rhules job to find talent.

I get being glass half full but you're taking it to the extreme here and bordering on brown nosing. Not his job to find talent? The man hired his own GM! 😂

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6 hours ago, frankw said:

 

I get being glass half full but you're taking it to the extreme here and bordering on brown nosing. Not his job to find talent? The man hired his own GM! 😂

It's literally not the job of the HC of any franchise to go find talent.... thats why teams have pro scout, directors of personel, and GMs. HC's job is to manage the work and put the right people in the right places, not do the job for them.

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11 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

It’s not Matt rhules job to find talent. We hired Dan Morgan to do that for a reason. 
 

marty hurney picked those players above. Not fox and not Rivera.

You realize Matt Rhule is our GM too, right?

He has final say on all roster decisions. Did you see any of the Panthers draft videos? Did that look like a guy that was just listening to what he was being told or was telling people what he wanted?

Matt Rhule is completely responsible for this roster. He wouldn't take this job without total control of the roster and we gave him that. For that, he bears all responsibility for the sad shape it is in.

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15 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Bengals

2-14

4-12

10-7 and going to the AFCCG

BUT our coach Jay-Z and our owner thinks it takes a lifetime to build a winning team LOL

The moment the 4-12 season finished this fanbase would rightfully be calling for Taylor's job.

Let's not pretend otherwise pls

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3 hours ago, Lets get it Canes said:

They got burrow. We got Derrick browns fat grocery bag ass. They have legit weapons on offense. We have Moore who would be their number 3 and cmc who is glass. They have an oline. We don’t they have an actual nfl head coach. We don’t. 

They actually don't have an O-line, but they do have a coach who adjusted mid game and got Chase in situations to get like 80 yards of yac. 

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