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The truth about Baker and Jimmy G

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Just to quickly get this out of the way because I haven’t seen it posted here yet, but there’s a reason nobodies traded for these two guys yet.  It it doesn’t have anything to do with playing ability so much as it does leverage. (and maybe Bakers attitude, maybe)

The Browns are paying Baker about 18.5mill for this season.  Same as we are stuck paying Darnold.  If the Browns cut Baker, they still owe him the 18.5mill.  The only way he’s completely off the books is if he’s traded.  Every team whose interested knows this, and the Browns have no leverage because he needs to go and they want/kinda need the cap space.  The reports of teams asking the Browns for a draft pick to take Mayfield are likely very accurate and will likely happen.  They are gonna have to Osweiler him..

With Jimmy it’s different.  The Niners are up against the cap, I believe they have 3mill left. If they cut Jimmy they save 25mill and take like a 2 mill hit.  Same if they trade him.  But everyone and their mother knows the Niners need the cap space and are eventually going to have to cut him.  It’s literally inevitable.  Nobody is trading anything for a guy coming off shoulder surgery with 1 year left on his deal.  So if the Panthers want Jimmy and I suspect they do, they are playing it perfectly.  Be patient, Niners will eventually cut him, free the cap room and you can sign him as a one year stop gap for likely a lot less than $25mill he would have gotten via a trade.

It looks like it’s down to Jimmy G or Cam starting for the Panthers next year, for better or for worse.  Doesn’t mean they won’t draft a QB at 6, but unless they wow in camp they likely will red shirt.  Pickett obv has a better shot to start then Willis.

 

 

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The reason no one has traded for them is simple:they suck. And they are expensive. If we do nothing but start Darnold and resign Cam, we are better off at the QB position, are not out any more money and aren't bleeding draft picks like we have done for several years. Perhaps the best we can do, is suck it up and fall on our sword for another year.

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1 minute ago, bobcat91 said:

The reason no one has traded for them is simple:they suck. And they are expensive. If we do nothing but start Darnold and resign Cam, we are better off at the QB position, are not out any more money and aren't bleeding draft picks like we have done for several years. Perhaps the best we can do, is suck it up and fall on our sword for another year.

QBs don't make it to a SB and another conference championship if they suck.

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I'm cool with signing Jimmy G for cheap. I don't think he will be cheap enough though. I don't know every teams cap situation, but I'd could see him getting $10-$15M/y on the open market and I'm not sure if we'd pay that with Darnold literally sucking cap space.

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14 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

QBs don't make it to a SB and another conference championship if they suck.

You enjoy being wrong. Jimmy G was carried. But in any low tier starter into that 2019 team and you will make the Super Bowl. 
Stop giving credit to a player that doesn’t deserve it. 

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I think both Jimmy and Baker are talented players.  Are they upper echelon Mahomes level, obviously not.  But you can certainly win with them as both those teams have proved with recent playoff runs.  Jimmy made some really big time throws in the final drives of a few games last year, that dude is ice.  He does have limitations though.  Baker has arm talent that can’t be questioned.  The argument is always Jimmy sucks and Shanahans offense carries him, yet there record when he’s hurt compared to when he plays is staggering.  So why couldn’t Kyle get even mediocre results with other “backup level” QBs.  That’s because Jimmy G is a starting QB in this league (he probably ranks between 15-20), Sam Darnold is barely a backup level player..he’s a third string QB

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43 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

QBs don't make it to a SB and another conference championship if they suck.

They do when they have physical defenses that crush their opponents. Tom Brady retired for one reason, to win it all at SF. They are that close. When TB said he would not be released to go there, he unretired.

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20 minutes ago, NJPanthers89 said:

I think both Jimmy and Baker are talented players.  Are they upper echelon Mahomes level, obviously not.  But you can certainly win with them as both those teams have proved with recent playoff runs.  Jimmy made some really big time throws in the final drives of a few games last year, that dude is ice.  He does have limitations though.  Baker has arm talent that can’t be questioned.  The argument is always Jimmy sucks and Shanahans offense carries him, yet there record when he’s hurt compared to when he plays is staggering.  So why couldn’t Kyle get even mediocre results with other “backup level” QBs.  That’s because Jimmy G is a starting QB in this league (he probably ranks between 15-20), Sam Darnold is barely a backup level player..he’s a third string QB

The niners were injury plagued two years ago so when Jimmy was out so were their other best players. I believe it was the same way in 2018 as well so their w-l record without him should include some context. He’s not horrible, but he does need a great supporting case to get him to the next level. You could argue they win in spite of him and to me he’s not worth trading assets for or even signing for one year. Same goes for Baker, Dude had a great supporting cast the last couple of years and just could never get it done. 

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