Watson's people expecting a full season suspension

[countryboi]

that still doesnt feel long enough. 

[SizzleBuzz]

2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Sucks it's primarily on Teppers ego to not admit that he just fuged up with the initial coaching hire. Took no time to fire the Soccer coach though. Don't get it

Tepper's not involved...

...he leaves it to the "football people"...

...just ask the guy with 602,444 posts on this site

[Smithers]

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Vick wasn't terrible after he came back, and you've got to think Watson was able to train better in his 2 years away from the game than Vick could while in jail.

Plus Watson was younger and better than Vick was when he missed time, so it seems like a decent comparison.

Forgot about Vick.  Great comparison.  

[parker]

I think this would make the Browns more apt to trade Baker.  They will need another QB for Brisset.  A Mayfeild/Darnold trade might be good for both teams.

[top dawg]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The original source...

 

If I fully expected it, or at least thought it was a very real possibility, the Browns FO had to also I'd think. It's really not a surprise.

As for Mayfield, it has been reported for months that that bridge is burned. It is ash. 

[Khyber53]

Might be best for the Panthers to just simply turn off the tube and quit watching the soap opera that has become Watson and the Browns. 

If things get bad enough they'll come begging.

If not, well, we've got a season to prepare for.

[Sgt Schultz]

4 hours ago, Smithers said:

Forgot about Vick.  Great comparison.  

I think Vick had a lot more things to work on during his hiatus than Watson.  The think I remember about Vick after he came back is he was more patient in running through the receiver progressions before abandoning the pass for the run.  I don't know who worked with him on that, but they "done good."

I remember Vince Young showing some improvement in those same areas when he came back after a shorter hiatus.  I don't think it stuck, but that could be my own very aging memory.

[Smithers]

9 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think Vick had a lot more things to work on during his hiatus than Watson.  The think I remember about Vick after he came back is he was more patient in running through the receiver progressions before abandoning the pass for the run.  I don't know who worked with him on that, but they "done good."

I remember Vince Young showing some improvement in those same areas when he came back after a shorter hiatus.  I don't think it stuck, but that could be my own very aging memory.

I heard he was coached by the legendary Paul Crews while locked up

[ForJimmy]

10 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Tepper's not involved...

...he leaves it to the "football people"...

...just ask the guy with 602,444 posts on this site

Tepper is the only one who can fire Rhule. His GM can’t make that call so that leaves the owner. We want him to leave it to the football people, but he can’t help himself. Running to “Mr Whip It Out” every year and making an offer for him only to get rejected. Offering a college coach with no experience a stupid contract to coach/run his team.

According to some on here, he is still great and much better than Jordan…

[trueblade]

Florio thinks paid leave (Commissioner Exempt List) is the more likely thing, despite Goodell saying he wasn't going to use it. I'll link the video below, but I'll give a quick summary as well.

The Commissioner had full control over Exempt List process. He no longer has full over a suspension. That would activate the new personal conduct policy negotiated in the last CBA. This is now a three step process. 

Step one, under the policy, is the League/Commissioner would propose a suspension.

Step two, it goes to the Disciplinary Officer. This is a retired Federal judge from DE that was agreed to by both the NFL and the NFLPA. Unless she finds there should be no discipline at all, the Commissioner can still implement whatever length he wants.

The problem for the NFL is the Disciplinary Officer will have a hearing. As much as they might not want to, the NFLPA has a legislative duty to defend Watson as a member of the Union.

The NFLPA could make the case that whatever action the league takes against Watson must be less then what it did to owners in similar situations since the Personal Conduct Policy states that owners are held to higher standard. 

They could draw comparisons to three owners. 

Dan Snyder - investigation into hostile workplace - The Disciplinary Officer could require that the NFL make the evidence against Dan Snyder available to the NFLPA. The NFL doesn't want that.

Robert Craft - solicitation arrest in FL - probably the most apples to apples comparison for Watson (though we important differences). There was no discipline against Craft from the NFL in that case.

Jerry Jones - voyeurism scandal in 2015- NFL allowed the Cowboys to investigate themselves and took no action.

Here's the full video. This is messy and it's getting messier.

 

 

[Donald LaFell]

23 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think the Mayfield/Browns bridge is thoroughly burned. I'd be surprised if the Browns haven't also been expecting this outcome with Watson.

The Panthers extremely inadvertently dodged a massive bullet.

I expect the Browns to just roll with Brissett as their starter this year and I'm sure he'd be thrilled with the opportunity. 

I’ve read the “dodged a bullet” comment a few times and I feel like it just doesn’t fit. We tried really hard to get shot even though fans and media alike knew it was a terrible idea. Then the bullet dodged us. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 hours ago, trueblade said:

Florio thinks paid leave (Commissioner Exempt List) is the more likely thing, despite Goodell saying he wasn't going to use it. I'll link the video below, but I'll give a quick summary as well.

The Commissioner had full control over Exempt List process. He no longer has full over a suspension. That would activate the new personal conduct policy negotiated in the last CBA. This is now a three step process. 

Step one, under the policy, is the League/Commissioner would propose a suspension.

Step two, it goes to the Disciplinary Officer. This is a retired Federal judge from DE that was agreed to by both the NFL and the NFLPA. Unless she finds there should be no discipline at all, the Commissioner can still implement whatever length he wants.

The problem for the NFL is the Disciplinary Officer will have a hearing. As much as they might not want to, the NFLPA has a legislative duty to defend Watson as a member of the Union.

The NFLPA could make the case that whatever action the league takes against Watson must be less then what it did to owners in similar situations since the Personal Conduct Policy states that owners are held to higher standard. 

They could draw comparisons to three owners. 

Dan Snyder - investigation into hostile workplace - The Disciplinary Officer could require that the NFL make the evidence against Dan Snyder available to the NFLPA. The NFL doesn't want that.

Robert Craft - solicitation arrest in FL - probably the most apples to apples comparison for Watson (though we important differences). There was no discipline against Craft from the NFL in that case.

Jerry Jones - voyeurism scandal in 2015- NFL allowed the Cowboys to investigate themselves and took no action.

Here's the full video. This is messy and it's getting messier.

 

 

While there is some comparison between Watson and Snyder, Kraft, and Jones, there weren't 26 allegations. Single instance of getting a happy ending is quite different than what Watson is alleged to have done. I'm not defending the owners by any stretch, it's just IF the allegations are true, that would make Watson a serial predator and there's nothing similar to compare that too. If the NFL does nothing, it's going to piss off a large amount of female fans and a lot of male ones too. Cleveland really fugged themselves with this situation, and it only makes me wonder even more what the hell Tepper was thinking pursuing him so vigorously. Anyone with any common sense knew there was no way this was over. 

[Tbe]

1 hour ago, Donald LaFell said:

 We tried really hard to get shot even though fans and media alike knew it was a terrible idea. Then the bullet dodged us. 

Between the way Cam was let go, Rhule’s hiring + contract, Darnold, the Rockhill mess, and Watson Tepper has been chasing every bullet he can find.

[SizzleBuzz]

22 hours ago, countryboi said:

that still doesnt feel long enough. 

The cockroach axiom is now in play...

...they just keep showing up...

...forever is now in the cards .

Sad really...