Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Panthers are gonna shock the world!

joemac

By joemac,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

KSpan Grand Master

KSpan

Posted
Posted
57 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:


Funny enough Ron Rivera was somewhere in that same ball park of 3-14 at the start of his coaching career. 

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
joemac Grand Master

joemac

Posted
  • Author
Posted
15 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

To be a great player you need to be top 5 in the NFL at your position. They are good to very good players, but im not sure about great. 

Says who?  Top 5 is just some arbitrary number you made up.  I would say top 10 or even 15 at your position would be considered great.  Top 5 would be elite, best of the best. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PootieNunu Grand Master

PootieNunu

Posted
Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, joemac said:

Says who?  Top 5 is just some arbitrary number you made up.  I would say top 10 or even 15 at your position would be considered great.  Top 5 would be elite, best of the best. 

I said even if all of them are considered great we are still a ways off from drawing in a top QB who wants to compete for a super bowl like the OP suggested. 

Moton and Chinn if used properly are top 10 easily, Burns and Moore are more like top 15-20 guys.. 

Edited by PootieNunu
  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
poundaway Grand Master

poundaway

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, joemac said:

DJ Moore is a great player.  Brian Burns is a great player, Taylor Moton is great, Jeremy Chinn is great. 

True. 

But RR had some of the greatest panthers of all time:

Cam, Smitty, Gross, Keuchly, Ryan Kalil, Deangalo, Stewart, Olsen

RR had better talent across the board, hands down.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Cary Kollins Experienced

Cary Kollins

Posted
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, KSpan said:

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.


Rivera sucks. Rhule’s biggest fault so far has been QB evaluation. Does Baker solve that? Maybe. If not Rhule is gone. 

I’m an optimist when it comes to sports, and the Panthers, with the talent they have, are in as good a spot they’ve been since Cam was healthy. 

Edited by Cary Kollins
  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
hepcat Grand Master

hepcat

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, KSpan said:

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.

Rivera at least knew how to build a defense. What does Matt Rhule know how to do?

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jared Patterson Mentor

Jared Patterson

Posted
Posted (edited)

Okay, say we make the wild card and lose in the first round.... We have no QB on the roster the next year except Corral who hasn't been able to learn the playbook so far, would likely overpay Mayfield and extend Rhule with absolutely no ceiling higher than losing a wildcard year after year......

Edited by Jared Patterson
Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, poundaway said:

True. 

But RR had some of the greatest panthers of all time:

Cam, Smitty, Gross, Keuchly, Ryan Kalil, Deangalo, Stewart, Olsen

RR had better talent across the board, hands down.

Do remember that in 2015 we supposedly had the weakest receiver corps in the league. He didn't always have great talent and Cam was very inconsistent and often injured from 2016 on, especially 2018 on.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Okay, say we make the wild card and lose in the first round.... We have no QB on the roster the next year except Corral who hasn't been able to learn the playbook so far, would likely overpay Mayfield and extend Rhule with absolutely no ceiling higher than losing a wildcard year after year......

Rhule already has a 7 year contract and this is year 3. And we can afford to pay Mayfield if he performs by just tagging him for 30 and not have to commit to a long term deal since Corral is on a rookie deal.

Edited by panthers55
Link to comment
Share on other sites
poundaway Grand Master

poundaway

Posted
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Do remember that in 2015 we supposedly had the weakest receiver corps in the league. He didn't always have great talent and Cam was very inconsistent and often injured from 2016 on, especially 2018 on.

You're right.  He started with the talent I listed, except Luke and Olsen.  The drafting the next few years was not great.  We drafted Benjamin and Funchess and our first rounder in 2016 was Vernon Butler. How much did Butler even play?  RR wasn't great with the draft, game management, game adjustment, or clock management. 

Edited by poundaway
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • trucpfan
      Time to Sign David Njoku

      By trucpfan · Posted

      You’re playing madden we’re talking real football stuff…. He does have you seen his special on internet he def thinks he’s getting paid 
    • Cpt slay a ho
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By Cpt slay a ho · Posted

      Without the team having an identity kinda hard to predict what they value.  They either are really trying to build a balanced team, or preparing for another swing at qb if Bryce doesn’t pan out. Seems like we value the o line but the $ spent there has been underwhelming besides Lewis, you could say it’s because of injuries but still hasn’t been worth the investment. as already stated, the whole handling of Bryce young as a whole has been ass backwards, we spent the years we’re supposed to take advantage of having a qb with a lower cap hit, building the team up to be adequate. now It appears, key word appears, the saints have done it correctly, which is painful to even think about. Regardless, I hope the front office has paid attention to qb contracts recently, such as Tua, Kyler, Daniel jones(pre colts) and don’t settle for subpar qb play at franchise qb rates    
    • Thorrez
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By Thorrez · Posted

      This is the flaw in your logic.  Cutting 3 of our best players will somehow move us from whatever we are to "compete". Even the most Young super fans are not predicting a ceiling above top 10-12, and that will not nearly cut it.  Someone will need to break the log jam of QBs getting nothing or North of 50. Our qb is at best a middle ground, lets hope it will be us that also manage to pay the worth at about 100 over 3 years.  And before you jump me, yes that is only of he improves.
×
×
  • Create New...