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Panthers are gonna shock the world!

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57 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:


Funny enough Ron Rivera was somewhere in that same ball park of 3-14 at the start of his coaching career. 

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.

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15 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

To be a great player you need to be top 5 in the NFL at your position. They are good to very good players, but im not sure about great. 

Says who?  Top 5 is just some arbitrary number you made up.  I would say top 10 or even 15 at your position would be considered great.  Top 5 would be elite, best of the best. 

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2 minutes ago, joemac said:

Says who?  Top 5 is just some arbitrary number you made up.  I would say top 10 or even 15 at your position would be considered great.  Top 5 would be elite, best of the best. 

I said even if all of them are considered great we are still a ways off from drawing in a top QB who wants to compete for a super bowl like the OP suggested. 

Moton and Chinn if used properly are top 10 easily, Burns and Moore are more like top 15-20 guys.. 

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1 hour ago, joemac said:

DJ Moore is a great player.  Brian Burns is a great player, Taylor Moton is great, Jeremy Chinn is great. 

True. 

But RR had some of the greatest panthers of all time:

Cam, Smitty, Gross, Keuchly, Ryan Kalil, Deangalo, Stewart, Olsen

RR had better talent across the board, hands down.

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2 hours ago, KSpan said:

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.


Rivera sucks. Rhule’s biggest fault so far has been QB evaluation. Does Baker solve that? Maybe. If not Rhule is gone. 

I’m an optimist when it comes to sports, and the Panthers, with the talent they have, are in as good a spot they’ve been since Cam was healthy. 

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3 hours ago, KSpan said:

And funny enough that outside of some outlier years and him being carried by generational talent, he's still an average football coach. Better than Rhule if we compare their first two years, sure, but his conservatism and lack of strategic vision always hampered the team, and he and the coaches are the major reason the team lost a very winnable Super Bowl.

If Rivera is your metric, then your bar is too low, and Rhule doesn't even reach that.

Rivera at least knew how to build a defense. What does Matt Rhule know how to do?

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Okay, say we make the wild card and lose in the first round.... We have no QB on the roster the next year except Corral who hasn't been able to learn the playbook so far, would likely overpay Mayfield and extend Rhule with absolutely no ceiling higher than losing a wildcard year after year......

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2 hours ago, poundaway said:

True. 

But RR had some of the greatest panthers of all time:

Cam, Smitty, Gross, Keuchly, Ryan Kalil, Deangalo, Stewart, Olsen

RR had better talent across the board, hands down.

Do remember that in 2015 we supposedly had the weakest receiver corps in the league. He didn't always have great talent and Cam was very inconsistent and often injured from 2016 on, especially 2018 on.

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27 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Okay, say we make the wild card and lose in the first round.... We have no QB on the roster the next year except Corral who hasn't been able to learn the playbook so far, would likely overpay Mayfield and extend Rhule with absolutely no ceiling higher than losing a wildcard year after year......

Rhule already has a 7 year contract and this is year 3. And we can afford to pay Mayfield if he performs by just tagging him for 30 and not have to commit to a long term deal since Corral is on a rookie deal.

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Do remember that in 2015 we supposedly had the weakest receiver corps in the league. He didn't always have great talent and Cam was very inconsistent and often injured from 2016 on, especially 2018 on.

You're right.  He started with the talent I listed, except Luke and Olsen.  The drafting the next few years was not great.  We drafted Benjamin and Funchess and our first rounder in 2016 was Vernon Butler. How much did Butler even play?  RR wasn't great with the draft, game management, game adjustment, or clock management. 

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