Jason La Canfora on the Panthers Future and CMC

[AceBoogie]

59 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Absolutely disagree that we don't have a quality roster - and trading away McCaffrey for pennies on the dollar doesn't make it any stronger either.

poo article.

For sure. This is a very talented roster. You remove Rhule and we have a top 2 pick, what coach wouldn’t want to walk into that situation. 

[Sgt Schultz]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

Rhule likely isn’t forfeiting that much money if he lands a good power 5 gig. Plus there is happiness and his entire future (more money) at play in the long run. 

Brian Kelly LMAO makes more money than Rhule.  Miami, Michigan State, etc all pay their coaches more.  With ballooning salaries Rhule has decent odds if someone wants him of getting really good money and no longer being a miserable laughing stock. 

Exactly.  A lot of people don't understand that unless they did something incredibly unusual for the NFL, and stupid, Rhule doesn't get the money from his Carolina contract AND the money from his next gig.  He likely gets at least the money he is guaranteed from the Panthers contract (which will essentially be split between the Panthers and whoever hires him), and if he makes more from his new job, Tepper is probably off the hook. 

If he quits for a job of equal or more money, he has lost zero.  In fact, the dollars and sense probably work out the exact same as if he is canned.  If he quits for, say, $7M a year he loses $1.5M, but that may be worth it to him in the long run.  The guy has already made roughly $25M here (counting this season).  He's 47, and apparently enjoys coaching (although maybe not right now, and maybe not in the NFL at all).  He's got 20 years ahead of him to continue to talk to 18-21 years olds about "the Process" and they will mostly believe him.  If he tries to play out the Panther string, there is no guarantee that his name will be viewed as a hot commodity at the major NCAA programs in 4 years.

While Tepper still owes him 4+ years of salary, he also owns his rights for those 4 years.

[cookinbrak]

25 minutes ago, Growl said:

LaCanfora has proven with remarkable consistency that he had absolutely no idea what’s going on in the building in charlotte

edit: he isn’t even pretending here, the entire article is “here’s what other people think of the panthers.”

"2" other people...

[ECHornet]

The time to trade CMC is next year before the deadline if we have a poor record. He'll still have value and the dead money will not be crushing at that point. Next year is toast if we trade CMC now. Maybe they are willing to throw in the towel on next year already, but our defense is ready if we get the right QB/OC. 

 

In the hypothetical scenario where we land a top 3 QB in the draft and they are actually what we hope, I would hate to be down our best offensive weapon + the player(s) $18+ million would bring next year.

[SteveSmithTD89]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

We're 11-25 since signing him to that foolish contract. RB's are a dime a dozen draft one in the mid rounds and keep building this oline for our future quarterback.

So we could get another RB like Chuba? 

Hard pass. I'd move CMC to WR and let him take on the Debo (at which his contract becomes a bargain comparatively) before I'd ever ship him out for mid round picks AND eat the contract. 

[Growl]

Tepper may very well offer Payton the Gruden deal.

 

probably not the worst idea either tbh

 

stack Payton with Young and you have something there

[CRA]

1 minute ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

So we could get another RB like Chuba? 

Hard pass. I'd move CMC to WR and let him take on the Debo (at which his contract becomes a bargain comparatively) before I'd ever ship him out for mid round picks AND eat the contract. 

 the league is slam full of productive runners that aren't Chuba though. 

CMC isn't Deboo.  2 totally different players.  They just happen to both be diverse. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

Tepper may very well offer Payton the Gruden deal.

 

probably not the worst idea either tbh

 

stack Payton with Young and you have something there

You couldn't get both.  NO is going to get our first and more

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

 the league is slam full of productive runners that aren't Chuba though. 

CMC isn't Deboo.  2 totally different players.  They just happen to both be diverse. 

Besides I've heard CMC doesn't want to play the slot. He only wants to be a RB. He will occasionally play slot but that's not what wants. 

[Sgt Schultz]

A lot is going to depend on Fitts (who apparently is not in hot water with Tepper, per reports) and the new coaching staff (assuming there is a new coaching staff). 

IF CMC stays healthy, the new staff may want him because nobody else is proving to be a catalyst on offense.  Let's face it, even though we put the blame on QBs and the play calling, if you are coming in as a new coach, you are looking at our receives and perhaps thinking a couple are good to decent, but there are a lot of unknowns.  That even includes DJ, just because of results.

But, this is not a plum job to a prospective HC.  If the guy is a defensive coach, there are more people they could find intriguing than on offense.

The Process has screwed this team.  Rhule is apparently all about developing a culture, but in the NFL that comes with success and is a product of it.  Trying to develop a winning culture without the winning just doesn't work in the pros.  The end result is the players may love you, but they won't even help you carry your bags or pack your stuff when you are sent out of town.

[Mr. Scot]

Phrase that sticks out to me:

"That job, working for that owner, is a tough sell right now."

Sounds like Tepper is developing a reputation.

I'd add that "playing chicken" with Rhule is an ego-driven, dumbass move.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[SCO96]

If we knew for sure that we were going to get a good coach to replace Rhule; and also knew that the FO could get good compensation and turn those picks into solid starter for a new regime, then I could support moving Christian.

But, I have no faith in Tepper and/or Scott F. to pick a successful next coach, especially if they opt for another "defensive minded coach".

I also have no faith in the FO to pick the right players if we got a good haul from moving CMAC. Our draft classes haven't been stellar the past 3 years. We've passed on a lot of talent during our efforts to manipulate the draft board and accumulate picks. 

I still think we can win with the talent we have if we could get a QB, one or two more draft picks to fill some holes, and someone who knew how to put the guys already on the roster in the best position/role to optimize their natural abilities.

I think the coach/GM combo could add solid starters with our 1,2,and 3 picks in next years draft to what we have and challenge for a division title since this is probably Brady's last year in Tampa.

Edited October 5, 2022 by SCO96

[Sgt Schultz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Phrase that sticks out to me:

"That job, working for that owner, is a rough sell right now."

Sounds like Tepper is developing a reputation.

I'd add that "playing chicken" with Rhule is an ego-driven, dumbass move.

I agree on both points. 

While I don't see any improvement by sending Rhule out the door now, this year is probably a major loss, regardless. I don't see anybody on the current staff changing that, including Rhule.

Unless they did something incredibly stupid with Rhule's contract, the end result in terms of dollars and sense is going to wind up being background noise.  Especially with some big-time NCAA jobs opening up as this plays out. 

In terms of Tepper, he just needs to stay out of sight or get some advice of how to handle this mess from someone with bonafide NFL credentials.  Right now, this whole mess looks like amateur hour at almost every level.

[Pimpdaddy]

How do you get a job and fug up everything! everything? Everything!