Drafting a QB is a total crap shoot according to a Hall of Fame QB.

[toldozer]

13 minutes ago, YourLastThought said:

I thought Lance had a much higher upside and not sure what has gone wrong with him so far as I havent watched much San Fran. Is Lance bad or just not been given enough room and time to grow?

No clue,  hurt in his first or second start

[Smithers]

A year or two ago a Huddler posted some stats about “hit” rates per position per round.  QBs were pretty far down the list even in round 1.  It’s by far the hardest position to evaluate when it comes to transitioning to the nfl 

[mav1234]

13 minutes ago, Smithers said:

A year or two ago a Huddler posted some stats about “hit” rates per position per round.  QBs were pretty far down the list even in round 1.  It’s by far the hardest position to evaluate when it comes to transitioning to the nfl 

I actually think the whole "Qbs bust more than anyone else" thing is a bit overstated. They're one of the harder groups but year to year it depends, sometimes they aren't as bad as others. Some analyses suggest other positions can be more prone to busts: https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftoffensivetackles.php https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/2/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft

Kinda seems like QBs have one of the highest bust rates (not the highest) but also if they're first round hits they tend to be very good.  Not surprising tbh given QBs are drafted for their potential as much as existing ability.

Edited December 24, 2022 by mav1234

[LinvilleGorge]

It's amazing to me how Panthers fans try to talk themselves out of taking a QB every year and then inevitably bitch about our sorry QB play every year.

You know what a highly drafted QB definitely does? It gives you some hope. At least briefly. Isn't everyone ready for SOMETHING to be hopeful about with the Carolina Panthers?

[Panther53521]

What is the best for a young QB?
 

I personally think … a good line, a good play caller, and a good TE 

Delhomme has those and the drive to be the best he could be. Delhomme started losing because he lost pieces of the 3

[GoobyPls]

I think there’s usually only 1 great QB per class that can overcome a teams shortcomings and usually the first QB taken.

[RJK]

You draft the guy with leadership intangibles and physical traits that can’t be coached and cross your fingers 

[Smithers]

14 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I actually think the whole "Qbs bust more than anyone else" thing is a bit overstated. They're one of the harder groups but year to year it depends, sometimes they aren't as bad as others. Some analyses suggest other positions can be more prone to busts: https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftoffensivetackles.php https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/2/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft

Kinda seems like QBs have one of the highest bust rates (not the highest) but also if they're first round hits they tend to be very good.  Not surprising tbh given QBs are drafted for their potential as much as existing ability.

Thanks for sharing these links - great insight.  

[Smithers]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's amazing to me how Panthers fans try to talk themselves out of taking a QB every year and then inevitably hitch about our sorry QB play every year.

You know what a highly drafted QB definitely does? It gives you some hope. At least briefly. Isn't everyone ready for SOMETHING to be hopeful about with the Carolina Panthers?

I’m a fan of taking a QB every single year.  Even if it’s a mid/late round pick. The position is too important to not use a pick on one. 

[TheCasillas]

For a league that makes big changes every offseason.... i think its hard to find a true formula to success.

[RJK]

Also take into account modern NFL doesn’t allow for coaches or QBs to grow. If they’re not instantly good bad teams will move on too fast. Josh allen/McDermott is really how you should handle a QB/new HC combo. 

[KillerKat]

I think what is most important here is coaching. The worst teams pick first because they have the worst records and mostly the worst coaching. QB is the most important position on the field. Without the coaching, the QB they draft is set up to fail. Whats going on here is coaches failing the player, not the other way around. If a team has a good QB coach and OC, they will have a better shot at not busting after drafting a QB high.

Edited December 24, 2022 by KillerKat

[mrcompletely11]

16 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

For a league that makes big changes every offseason.... i think its hard to find a true formula to success.

 

10 of the 14 teams currently in the playoff picture have drafted and developed their qbs so I think its pretty clear in general the correct way to do this

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

For a league that makes big changes every offseason.... i think its hard to find a true formula to success.

Most of the changes tend to favor offense.