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Rapoport and Pelissero talk head coach openings

Mr. Scot

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11 hours ago, NYPantherFan said:

I mentioned this on Twitter, but is Wilks really wants to sell the offensive side of his plan, he should reach out to Todd Monken and see what it would take to get him to leave Georgia. They have history together being coordinators in Cleveland, so it might make some sense...

You realize it would take absolutely nothing, because that's Georgia and this is the NFL.  You can always go backwards. Any dummy would take an NFL role, knowing they could go back to college.  See the down syndrome coach we just suffered three seasons through.  And please not Todd Monken, would be like telling me you want to hire the Tulane O-coordinator because he put together a great last drive in the Cotton Bowl. 

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11 hours ago, JVic said:

You realize it would take absolutely nothing, because that's Georgia and this is the NFL.  You can always go backwards. Any dummy would take an NFL role, knowing they could go back to college.  See the down syndrome coach we just suffered three seasons through.  And please not Todd Monken, would be like telling me you want to hire the Tulane O-coordinator because he put together a great last drive in the Cotton Bowl. 

The guy is the highest paid college assistant in the country at 2M per year. OCs in the NFL are usually less than that. It would probably take a pay raise to get him to leave Georgia to be Wilks OC.

Apparently you are forgetting the 3 seasons he spent in Tampa as the OC where he put together a top 5 offense in 2017 and 2018. The 2018 season alone got him some HC interviews before he ended up in Cleveland and Freddie Kitchens gave him no role.

 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ellis's take...

There's a case to be made 🤔

When I look at Frank Reich led offenses, I see a disturbing amount of mediocrity.

2014 - San Diego OC, 17th scoring offense

2015 - San Diego OC, 26th scoring offense

2016 - Philly OC, 16th scoring offense

2017 - Philly OC, 3rd scoring offense (Carson Wentz plays out of his mind)

2018 - Indy HC, 6th scoring offense (Andrew Luck's final season)

2019 - Indy HC, 16th scoring offense

2020 - Indy HC, 9th scoring offense

2021 - Indy HC, 9th scoring offense

2022 - Indy HC, 30th scoring offense

Overall, his offenses are averaging about 15th in scoring.  It appears that Reich needs a QB to play amazing in order to have a good offense.  I think he would have a better chance than Wilks, but I don't think it's any sort of home run that he'll turn the team around.

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On 1/3/2023 at 11:40 AM, kungfoodude said:

It's always tough to be the OC under a coach that is perceived as being the offensive guru. It's hard to get much credit.

Leftwich deserves the criticism until he works his way out of it.  He was a part of the coaching staff and eventually was the playcaller for one of the worst offenses in the modern era.  Ironically under Steve Wilkes.

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Right now my take is that Tepper is being used as salary/contract length leverage against other teams more than he is an attractive landing spot for most of the top end prospects like Harbaugh. We're a small market team with a poorish scouting department and what appears to be a QB situation. 

Tepper, who has proven to not be terribly savvy about the business of football, is going to offer someone a big, expensive package to coach this team, and he'll probably base it more on name notoriety than actual capabilities. Think like the Raiders taking Jon Gruden a few years back. He won't try and go the no name route again.

And before you start with the "Fitterer will guide him" routine, you know that isn't going to happen. That's not Tepper' style and his employee will be tasked with getting Tepper who he wants, not who the team really needs.

My bet is he'll try hard for Harbaugh, who will leverage that into big money and guarantees in Denver, then he will snag Kingsbury when he gets ditched in Arizona. 

Somehow, he will miss the best bet that is sitting in his own coaching complex right now and we will see Steve Wilks head off to Indianapolis to take over a team that needs backbone and needs to make a hire that would net them some good karma.

I think we should roll with Wilks on a two year prove it contract, let him set his own coaching team in place and shore up the areas we know are weak. But I know nothing... 

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1 hour ago, BrianS said:

When I look at Frank Reich led offenses, I see a disturbing amount of mediocrity.

2014 - San Diego OC, 17th scoring offense

2015 - San Diego OC, 26th scoring offense

2016 - Philly OC, 16th scoring offense

2017 - Philly OC, 3rd scoring offense (Carson Wentz plays out of his mind)

2018 - Indy HC, 6th scoring offense (Andrew Luck's final season)

2019 - Indy HC, 16th scoring offense

2020 - Indy HC, 9th scoring offense

2021 - Indy HC, 9th scoring offense

2022 - Indy HC, 30th scoring offense

Overall, his offenses are averaging about 15th in scoring.  It appears that Reich needs a QB to play amazing in order to have a good offense.  I think he would have a better chance than Wilks, but I don't think it's any sort of home run that he'll turn the team around.

Meh the first few years he was getting his feet wet.  Indy was solid with a good QB (Luck) then lost Luck late in the offseason and had a mid range offense still.  He was the top 10 in offense with Wentz and and old Rivers after that.  That's pretty solid.  

My main question is was he wanting to sign  all of these vet QBs or was that more of the GM and Reich making due with what he has.  I don't think he ever had roster control...

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As I look at the upcoming search, there's one thing I find myself saying continually...

Please don't let Tepper screw this up.

We spent the last three years in a state where mediocrity would have been a step up because Tepper had the lamebrained idea to hire a college coach and give him full control.

He says he's learned better now, but I still fear what could happen if he gets a wild hair up his ass.

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