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This is starting to get nasty with coach wilks.

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Jon Snow Grand Master

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2 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

The point is, is that Tepper said he would give Wilks consideration if he did an incredible job. Wilks did an incredible job. The Panthers did everything they could to make it seem like was truly considered when he wasn't.  Then they leak that he is a finalist but never was.

I will always be a fan of the Panthers, but for the one game we go up against a Wilks defense (hopefully) I'll root for him to kick our ass.

The matter of how incredible Wilks performance was is guaged by Tepper and the FO.  None of us know how they viewed his performance.  You are using what you view as an incredible job. Do you know if your criteria aligns with Teppers? Since you don't how can you cast stone's? Since none of us know what Tepper had in mind as an incredible job I think it best that we stop trying to imply intent one way or the other. 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

The matter of how incredible Wilks performance was is guaged by Tepper and the FO.  None of us know how they viewed his performance.  You are using what you view as an incredible job. Do you know if your criteria aligns with Teppers? Since you don't how can you cast stone's? Since none of us know what Tepper had in mind as an incredible job I think it best that we stop trying to imply intent one way or the other. 

but but but they hired his daughter 8 weeks prior

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30 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

The team was abysmal. Taking a team from abysmal worst in the league to average is an outstanding jump. Guy won more games in 12 games then the previous asshat Tepper hired did in 2 years.

He did good getting to 6-6 no doubt about that HOWEVER anytime we played a game where we couldn't run the ball we just looked lost entirely. Combine that with Wilks playing conservatively in that Tampa Bay game (punting on 4th and 1 at midfield in an absolutely MUST win game) and then that 10-7 game against the Saints and it hurt his chances tremendously. Wilks earned himself an interview and as a result he got 2 of them with us. He would have very likely been the choice had he shown some aggression with the season on the line. 

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42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The analogy was pretty accurate with regard to how credible this particular conspiracy theory is.

Hell, you've never even answered how all of this stuff with Reich's daughter is supposed to be relevant when Ben Johnson was the target and different members of the search committee had different preferences (including Fitterer backing Wilks).

Bottom Line: There's zero credible evidence for any of this, but you're treating it like some established fact that you think the Panthers have to answer for.

It's just silly.

Please forward that information over.

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It's not about racism and I don't think that's why everyone is mad.

He did an incredible job with players he didn't pick, offensive and defensive schemes he didn't pick. An incomplete staff he didn't pick. Losing his only weapon. His best QB being on IR and key injuries. 

What he pulled off was incredible and quite simply why people should be angry he didn't get the job.

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1 hour ago, ichigo1057 said:

He did good getting to 6-6 no doubt about that HOWEVER anytime we played a game where we couldn't run the ball we just looked lost entirely. Combine that with Wilks playing conservatively in that Tampa Bay game (punting on 4th and 1 at midfield in an absolutely MUST win game) and then that 10-7 game against the Saints and it hurt his chances tremendously. Wilks earned himself an interview and as a result he got 2 of them with us. He would have very likely been the choice had he shown some aggression with the season on the line. 

Reich's last game they lost 26 to 3 to the Patriots. The team had 121 total yards.  They lost 17 to 16 to the Commanders. They were 3-5-1 and in the bottom 5 in offense and that's with Matt Ryan.  

Now Matt Ryan is washed but he is better then anything we had in the last 3 years.

You guys act like he is the second coming.

Ron Rivera was 76-67-1 and went to a superbowl....would he be a good hire? Would you want him back? Because by every metric he is a better and more accomplished coach then Reich. 

By any metric Reich's failures this year was worse then Wilks. 

Now you guys can live in the past and say Reich was great when he had a great QB....well no fugging shiit.

All coaches are great with a great QB.  But I get it...he did great 2 seasons ago so statistically he must be a better coach then a guy performing better then him today.

 

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11 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Reich's last game they lost 26 to 3 to the Patriots. The team had 121 total yards.  They lost 17 to 16 to the Commanders. They were 3-5-1 and in the bottom 5 in offense and that's with Matt Ryan.  

Now Matt Ryan is washed but he is better then anything we had in the last 3 years.

You guys act like he is the second coming.

Ron Rivera was 76-67-1 and went to a superbowl....would he be a good hire? Would you want him back? Because by every metric he is a better and more accomplished coach then Reich. 

By any metric Reich's failures this year was worse then Wilks. 

Now you guys can live in the past and say Reich was great when he had a great QB....well no fugging shiit.

All coaches are great with a great QB.  But I get it...he did great 2 seasons ago so statistically he must be a better coach then a guy performing better then him today.

You're off the deep end with this stuff, dude

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9 hours ago, Shocker said:

This is just completely ridiculous…

 

 

I always though Skip Bayless was missing a screw or two and this statement confirms it.

If Bayless had done a little research he would have known a group of 10-15 Panthers players (captains and other leaders) made it well known to the Panthers brass that they understood the Frank Reich hiring and were excited, despite the public support for Steve Wilks. Reich is well respected.

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1 hour ago, Catsfan69 said:

It's not about racism and I don't think that's why everyone is mad.

He did an incredible job with players he didn't pick, offensive and defensive schemes he didn't pick. An incomplete staff he didn't pick. Losing his only weapon. His best QB being on IR and key injuries. 

What he pulled off was incredible and quite simply why people should be angry he didn't get the job.

It was by most standards to the average fan. But it wasn't enough to make them change their mind on going with a coach with an offensive background.  Especially when that candidate had a much better resume for developing good offenses, qbs, and assistant coaches.

The direction was set the day he fired Rhule and made Wilks interm coach. He plainly told everyone in a press conference a few days after doing so. It's not that complicated folks. 

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1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Reich's last game they lost 26 to 3 to the Patriots. The team had 121 total yards.  They lost 17 to 16 to the Commanders. They were 3-5-1 and in the bottom 5 in offense and that's with Matt Ryan.  

Now Matt Ryan is washed but he is better then anything we had in the last 3 years.

You guys act like he is the second coming.

Ron Rivera was 76-67-1 and went to a superbowl....would he be a good hire? Would you want him back? Because by every metric he is a better and more accomplished coach then Reich. 

By any metric Reich's failures this year was worse then Wilks. 

Now you guys can live in the past and say Reich was great when he had a great QB....well no fugging shiit.

All coaches are great with a great QB.  But I get it...he did great 2 seasons ago so statistically he must be a better coach then a guy performing better then him today.

 

You can’t argue with crazy

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I like Wilks the person but not Wilks the coach. He is/was basically Ron 2.0 and we don't need that. The league has transitioned to become an offensive-minded league and not taking advantage of it puts us at a disadvantage. 

Wilks ball was to play smash mouth football. Great. When it works, we roll. When it doesn't work, he has no answers and can't coach a comeback. 

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