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Via Panthers Wire via The Athletic , Person says we like AR, but not enough. Buzz about the 3rd

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I mean, he just looks shaky to me overall. This is 2021, and generally he had good protection this game, but Mississippi dialed up pressure the entire game because they knew Levis has trouble with it. This is going to happen in the NFL.

By the way, that's not me in the comments.

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41 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

They better get this pick right, whatever they do.

To pass on Carr, Jackson, Rodgers, Garoppolo, etc and give up multiple 1st rounders to draft a guy that flops will be the ultimate cherry on top to Tepper’s ownership.

It's going to be difficult. They all have problems and potential.

Bryce Young obviously has size concerns. C.J. Stroud doesn't look good under pressure, climbing the pocket or creating. Anthony Richardson has inaccuracy issues, with poor lower body mechanics. Will Levis doesn't process well or navigate the pocket.

Other than Bryce Young, I've seen almost every cutup I can find of each game for these quarterbacks. Over the course of the last month, I've went from having Richardson as the fourth rated prospect to realizing he might be my number two behind Young. If Stroud didn't show out in the Peach Bowl, he would probably be my third choice at this point.

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They better get this pick right, whatever they do.

To pass on Carr, Jackson, Rodgers, Garoppolo, etc and give up multiple 1st rounders to draft a guy that flops will be the ultimate cherry on top to Tepper’s ownership.

I get the optics but to be real Carr, Garoppolo, and even Rodgers as of late are chokers with the game on the line. Doesn’t matter at the end of the day. 6-10, 7-9, or 12-4. A loser in the playoffs is still a loser. They are looking for a QB that has the magic to win and put the game on his back for the long term. If Delhomme in his prime was available they would be signing him.

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1 hour ago, Krovvy said:

 

I mean, he just looks shaky to me overall. This is 2021, and generally he had good protection this game, but Mississippi dialed up pressure the entire game because they knew Levis has trouble with it. This is going to happen in the NFL.

By the way, that's not me in the comments.

Yeah everyone says poor Levis he didn't have any weapons after bragging about the fact he was playing in a pro style offense at the start of the season. Looking horrible against Mississippi State and Vanderbilt, he's supposed to be the best player on the field, not folding under pressure from guys that will never play in the NFL

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I get the optics but to be real Carr, Garoppolo, and even Rodgers as of late are chokers with the game on the line. Doesn’t matter at the end of the day. 6-10, 7-9, or 12-4. A loser in the playoffs is still a loser. They are looking for a QB that has the magic to win and put the game on his back for the long term. If Delhomme in his prime was available they would be signing him.

Yeah but your floor is also Jake Locker or Jamarcus Russell.

If you want to go off of magic, that guy won 2 national championships back to back and is a day 2 pick. The rest couldn’t make it to the dance or failed when they got there. 

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7 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah everyone says poor Levis he didn't have any weapons after bragging about the fact he was playing in a pro style offense at the start of the season. Looking horrible against Mississippi State and Vanderbilt, he's supposed to be the best player on the field, not folding under pressure from guys that will never play in the NFL

Some of the processing misstates he makes are a huge red flag. Especially for an older player. I can see making a case for the other three, but Levis is a no go for me.

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A QB being sacked three times a game on average with toe, shoulder, and finger injuries is probably going to show some questionable decision making, especially when he has no talent at other positions on the offense.

Levis got sacked FIVE times by Vandy. Five. His first throw of the game was a throw away because the aforementioned RT got bull rushed immediately into his lap. His second pass attempt? His entire OL was in his lap off the snap.

It's crazy to me that some people can dismiss that or pretend that the other top QBs were dealing with similar OL performances.

Hell, even the Kentucky defense sucked. He had no help.

 

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A QB being sacked three times a game on average with toe, shoulder, and finger injuries is probably going to show some questionable decision making, especially when he has no talent at other positions on the offense.

Levis got sacked FIVE times by Vandy. Five. His first throw of the game was a throw away because the aforementioned RT got bull rushed immediately into his lap. His second pass attempt? His entire OL was in his lap off the snap.

It's crazy to me that some people can dismiss that or pretend that the other top QBs were dealing with similar OL performances.

Hell, even the Kentucky defense sucked. He had no help.

 

He had a bad oline but he also has a real issue sensing pressure, it pops up pretty constantly watching him. I’ll agree he didn’t have the help of others but I also think he didn’t help himself and it’s a real concern. This shows up in 2021 as well often.

One of those where some QBs elevate their lines with pocket movement and some are dependent on having a good oline because they compound this issue if they don’t.

 

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I mean, you can't blame Levis's bad decisions on his personnel in that tape. I mean you can, but you're overlooking some bad decisions. 

Can he be coached up? Perhaps. But just like with anyone else, are you getting good value if you draft him at nine? I don't know...

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I get everyone is on the AR train. But we have to stop with the idea that Levis had more help at Kentucky than AR did at Florida. That just isn’t true. Any recruiting website can tell you that if you do your own research. 
 

Levis had two years as a starter, it’s a decent sample size but not four years of tape like some make it out to be. He had a good line and good OC one year (he was mocked as the number one pick the summer after this season), and he had a year with absolutely no help. Coaching, line or weapons. 
 

if you want to say he’s an unknown due to the inconsistency, that is fair. But let’s not act like he had OSUs or Bamas cast around him. His accuracy and completion percentage is just fine for what he was working with. 

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13 hours ago, Basbear said:

Id say both offenses were bad, hella bad and no help to either QB. FL at least has some defenders going to get drafted.

 

I called the AR combine explosion months ago, stroud impressed too...... you know who else did great and getting no love- levis. He has moved up the most in the last month for me, now totally fine with levis at 9th(if its the case). Much prefer stroud and AR is upside nuclear levels.....but levis is now in the same zip code on my gut ranking.....

levis is a "game lights on" issue.......ugh sorta like darnold......but he looks like a legit QB prospect. 

I agree, and I wouldn't mind Levis at all if he comes with all of our future draft picks. Getting Levis, stud tight end, and a quality edge rusher with our first three picks might be better than selling the farm for Young or Stroud and definitely AR. 

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