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Dan Graziano: People in the league believe Panthers drafting CJ Stroud

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It was either Reich or Fitterer who mentioned having a QB that’s  able to set protections at the line. Young does that which is super rare for a college QB. 

Again if they’re neck and neck there are things that favor Stroud. Obviously his size but he also throws a better deep ball and in Reich’s system that may count for a lot

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One thing I find interesting about the Young vs Stroud debate, is the consensus of Young being the better overall talent.  This is something I wouldn't deny, but folks acting like Young is head and shoulders in that area.  To that I say, I'm not seeing it.  These guys are close in talent.  Even if Young was 6'3" or 6'4'', I still might take Stroud over Young due to him being the more fluid passer.  Yeah, give me the guy who doesn't have to think about his mechanics.

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1 hour ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Can the draft hurry up and get here? I'm so sick of these threads 

I hear you. But a year ago we were bitchin’ about Sam, Rhule and which mediocre Qb we would have to reach for in 2022 draft.

Today, Sam/Rhule are gone and we hold the number 1 draft position. We are so much better off. 
 

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51 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

League meetings? The collection of all 32 NFL coaches? Seems they could get a sense of where things are heading this week easily.

And I'm not mad about it. The more I watch Brcye, the more I think he's just a good college QB. Small, lacks elite traits of any kind physically, lacks zip on the ball, played at Bama with Metchie and Williams.

Think Tua may actually have been better but I think both will be back-ups on their 2nd contract. The Dolphins would offload Tua if they could. 

i think you are probably right on the source of the info, but i'm not totally seeing what you are on Bryce. i think he'll be really stinking good.

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Just now, rayzor said:

i think you are probably right on the source of the info, but i'm not totally seeing what you are on Bryce. i think he'll be really stinking good.

I don't think anyone questions that he's going to be good.

What they're all worried about is whether he can stay healthy.

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21 minutes ago, Matthias said:

One thing I find interesting about the Young vs Stroud debate, is the consensus of Young being the better overall talent.  This is something I wouldn't deny, but folks acting like Young is head and shoulders in that area.  To that I say, I'm not seeing it.  These guys are close in talent.  Even if Young was 6'3" or 6'4'', I still might take Stroud over Young due to him being the more fluid passer.  Yeah, give me the guy who doesn't have to think about his mechanics.

Pretty sure Young isn’t head and shoulders over anyone 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Breer on the QB question...

From Fid (@RandyFidler): You're the Panthers GM draft day. Who are you selecting and who would you target with the 2nd round pick to complement?

I think Bryce Young. Everything I’ve heard about Young as a kid is A-plus-plus. His OC from Alabama, Bill O’Brien, told teams in the fall he’s never had a player like Young, and O’Brien coached Tom Brady. Scouts will tell you his accuracy, instincts, pocket movement, football IQ, competitiveness and toughness are all A-plus. I’ve also heard he absolutely blew away Carolina coach Frank Reich when they sat down and talked football.

If he was 6'3" and 220 pounds, there’d be no discussion. He’d be the first overall pick. But he’s not, and that is not a cursory issue for teams.

And it could be a problem for Young, too, because CJ Stroud does have closer-to-prototype size (6'3", 214 pounds) for the position, and brings a lot of what Young does to the table. The questions with him are more on his willingness to run, put his body on the line and create off-schedule—things he actually did flash in his final college game, which happened to be a national semifinal against Georgia.

Ultimately, I think there’s a good chance Stroud winds up going first, because he’s close enough to Young traits-wise, and you’re well within the scouting guardrails size-wise for a quarterback with him. But I’ve heard enough people call Young special—really special—to the point where it’d be hard for me to pass on him.

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25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think anyone questions that he's going to be good.

What they're all worried about is whether he can stay healthy.

until he proves he can't, i'm going to assume that he will just as much as any other player. because no one has been able to show a correlation between smaller players and injury frequency or magnitude. 

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I saw something about the Texans beat seeming to think we're taking Young and they're gonna be "stuck with" Stroud... Not sure I buy it or that they know any more than us but I bet the Texans are trying very hard to get an idea of who we're taking. We also might be fooling them with smokescreens from the last few weeks.

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I'm on record as being ok with either of them.  But if I was a betting man, I don't think Tepper signed off on moving up and trading DJ just to take the safer pick (CJ). 

Rhule was a mistake, sure, but one multiple teams were ready to make.  Tepper flew down there and got his man.  This time it is evident he has learned from that fiasco and I do think he is taking a lot of advice from his new staff.  But when the final decision is made I am becoming more and more certain it will by Young.

Guys with brass balls don't take the safe pick.

 

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