Offensive Line struggles

[OceanPanther]

49 minutes ago, NAS said:

Nope, nobody said that.  

Lol then you don’t know how to read between the lines. 
Team didn’t play well .. This fan base doesn’t have the patience to wait till September 11th for a fire sale.

Many ,, in other threads have mentioned this is a team being rebuilt from the Rhule experiment,, and it’ll take more than a year.. 

We’re all just hoping for a better showing today 

[pantherclaw]

First preseason game. 

New guys at both guard spots, with them rotating the uoung guys on that side. 

New offense. 

Defense tends to shine this early. 

If Y'all want to be critical, go ahead.  

I've been watching football far too long to get even concerned at this point. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Clicheking said:

I'm not that guy that jumps off a cliff preseason game 1.....but the o line was atrocious today and I'm most disappointed in Ickey more than anything. Still can't handle a speed rush, so much for the reports of him dominating guys this training camp.

Not gonna lie. He and Moton gave me flashbacks to Bell and Chandler tonight.

[CLG]

2 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Bryce’s first pass went for a first down 

That changes everything. Lol, I kid but thanks for the correction. So maybe 2 first downs and one was meaningless in the first half. 10+ yards plays might have only been those two in the first half.. either way, definitely expected more than that and didn’t expect a lot. 

[bigjohn]

Most interesting thing for me will be adjustments made between now and next game, whether scheme or personnel. Certainly not hitting the panic button.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

This was something that caught my eye early (Jets and stunting DL) and was excited to see how Campen would coach the OL up to handle it going forward. 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

It also wasn’t the full five starters. OL all rely on each other. When one is out it impacts the whole. Looks like we could use some better backups, hopefully Zavala pans out. I still have faith in our starting five though. Just gotta stay healthy. 

[pantherj]

So now we've seen what teams think of our o-line. Our guys are strong as we all know, but they're also slower and lacking in quickness. The Jets made the obvious choice to use stunts some, and this led to a terrible problem. When you're slower, you have to be really quick mentally and communicate. No pause or false steps because you're already a little slow. The damn broke when the slow mental recognition and slow physical movement combined into a pass protection disaster that led to Bryce getting hammered.

Wilks recognized last season that our guys are strong, but less quick. He decided to run the ball like crazy, and pass less. This worked against many teams, but it's not a long term answer. The o-line has to transition to being able to recognize stunts quickly, react immediately, and help each other consistently. Otherwise teams will keep using stunts to basically knock Young out for the season. He's going to go down, and he's not going to get back up.

This failure has to be address immediately. The Panthers need to run stunts against the o-line until they can block it with their eyes closed. Stunt stunt stunt stunt. Anyone who doesn't start to catch on needs to go to the bench. We can't risk Young's long term health.

[Carl Spackler]

50 minutes ago, CLG said:

That changes everything. Lol, I kid but thanks for the correction. So maybe 2 first downs and one was meaningless in the first half. 10+ yards plays might have only been those two in the first half.. either way, definitely expected more than that and didn’t expect a lot. 

I don’t disagree. Just pointing out he did have one 

[NAS]

23 minutes ago, pantherj said:

So now we've seen what teams think of our o-line. Our guys are strong as we all know, but they're also slower and lacking in quickness. The Jets made the obvious choice to use stunts some, and this led to a terrible problem. When you're slower, you have to be really quick mentally and communicate. No pause or false steps because you're already a little slow. The damn broke when the slow mental recognition and slow physical movement combined into a pass protection disaster that led to Bryce getting hammered.

Wilks recognized last season that our guys are strong, but less quick. He decided to run the ball like crazy, and pass less. This worked against many teams, but it's not a long term answer. The o-line has to transition to being able to recognize stunts quickly, react immediately, and help each other consistently. Otherwise teams will keep using stunts to basically knock Young out for the season. He's going to go down, and he's not going to get back up.

This failure has to be address immediately. The Panthers need to run stunts against the o-line until they can block it with their eyes closed. Stunt stunt stunt stunt. Anyone who doesn't start to catch on needs to go to the bench. We can't risk Young's long term health.

Nailed it

[pantherclaw]

How many padded practices with trying to find 2 new starters at the guard positions, and any of you expected a good oline performance against the jets defensive front?

 

I want those drugs Y'all are on. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by pantherclaw

[CLG]

20 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I don’t disagree. Just pointing out he did have one 

[NAS]

From The Athletic 

https://theathletic.com/4771391/2023/08/12/panthers-preseason-stock-report-analysis/

The entire offensive line: The Jets have a deep and talented group of defensive linemen, and the Panthers couldn’t block them. It was a pitiful performance from a group that is supposed to be a strength, even without right guard Austin Corbett. Offensive line coach James Campen called a meeting with his players, veteran tackle Cam Erving said, “the s— wasn’t good enough.”

Left tackle Ikem Ekwonu gave up two of the hits on Young — against Thomas and Bryce Huff. Ekwonu, last year’s first-round pick, had a tough debut against Myles Garrett in Week 1 before settling in as a pass blocker. But Saturday was far from his best day.

“It definitely wasn’t good enough. Not up to our standards at all,” Ekwonu said.

Erving and reserve tackle Larnel Coleman gave up pressures and guard Michael Jordan was beaten repeatedly. Asked if the Panthers were rusty, Ekwonu said: “You can’t really chalk it up to anything. Just weren’t good enough today. At the end of the day we didn’t get it done.”

OL Michael Jordan: The Panthers tried Charlotte’s other M.J. in a couple of spots. But trouble followed Jordan wherever he lined up. At right guard in the first half, Jordan was beaten right off the snap by Quinton Jefferson, who sacked Young for a nine-yard loss. It didn’t get any better in the second half. Playing right tackle, Jordan was whistled for a false start to turn a third-and-5 into a third-and-10. On the ensuing play, he failed to pick up a stunt and let Bruce Hector get past him and sack Corral, whose fumble was recovered by Hector. Corral should have seen the pressure and either gotten rid of the ball or protected it better. Still, Jordan’s performance likely had coaches and the front office questioning why they brought him back. Jordan declined to comment after the game.

 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Them stunting has nothing to do with Bryce holding onto the ball. He actually got rid of the ball very quickly but offensive line couldn’t give him any time to let routes develop downfield 

Them stunting is to generate pressure. Bryce holding on to the ball for something to open up downfield allows those stunts to develop and might be a viable strategy to be used against him if his college game translates to the pros.

The comparison to the roughing the passer penalties vs. Cam is how defenses might be okay with taking a war of attrition approach by stacking hits over the course of the game. Hard to do when a QB always gets the ball out quickly, but if they're willing to extend the play there's a lot more opportunities to brutalize them.

Hopefully that clarifies what I meant a little better than I originally worded. Did not intend to imply that Bryce holding on to the ball was why pressure were happening. It was only to point out that because he'll let things develop that defenses will be able to take those opportunities on obvious passing downs.