Isaiah Simmons traded to Giants

[WUnderhill]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Why weren’t we in on this deal?  Surely Evero could have used him in a 3-4 scheme

 

Because he’s been bad enough that the best they could get for him was a 7th rounder. If a player’s been in the NFL for 3 years I prefer the GM evaluate him based on NFL tape, not draft position.

Matt Rhule believed in trading for other teams failed draft picks.

Edited August 24, 2023 by WUnderhill

[Tbe]

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Because he's absolutely awful my guy.

He is just really really bad at football.

Jeremy Chinn is who Simmons was supposed to be, and he's already on our team. 

it the tweener problem.  Simmons never really fit anywhere in college.  So, he sort of fit everywhere.  Just let a raw athlete be that.   Problem is the NFL needs guys that do specific things very well. 

and even Chinn sort of falls into that to some degree.   What is Chinn? A really talented dude we can't really figure out what to do with.  At least to date.  

[CRA]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Trash 

Dexter made the Pro Bowl last year.  He is a nice player. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

You never draft defensive players from Clemson. Especially that high. 

QBs and WRs have had a pretty good run. 

But yeah, their defensive guys sort of hint at the system and collective in Clemson being the real key there.   They have a lot of really good guys generally playing together on the line.  It's been an insanely deep position of late in Clemson.  Their weakest links are stronger than other teams and I think helps everyone to look their best.   Lot of those guys wouldn't of looked as good on less talented lines most likely. 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Clearly he underachieved but the athletic potential is there. A 7th rounder is an equivalent of a bag of chips

Spoken like a man who has never experienced the sheer bliss of Honey Mustard Pringles. I would not trade you my secret stash of them for Isiah Simmons.

Lays sour cream and onion you can have.

[Basbear]

Simmons hated contact, which is a huge issue playing LB/S/??. I think i was all for him, until i fought that out 2weeks before the draft.......man looking back Im entering marty herniay status with some of my takes(howell, macail, etc)

[MHS831]

this tells me that the Cards were going to cut him--so they shopped him for a 7th before cuts next week.

[therealmjl]

34 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Nothing

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

Good find... hey, we all miss.  I absolutely hated, hated, hated the Luke Kuechly pick at the time (as did ~90% of the people on this board).  You would hope people doing this for a living are smarter at this than we are...

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

Don't put that on me! That's Zod and another one of his hot takes.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Jon Snow

[Seltzer]

I wouldn't have been mad had they traded a 7th rounder for Simmons, but where would he play?  He's not taking Chinn's spot, and the only other role I could see would be the Luvu role, but again, Luvu has been light years better.  

Maybe Wink Martindale can find something.  It's easy to bust on the Cardinals, but Simmons has simply never developed into anything close to what was imagined based on his draft position.

Especially now that we signed Troy Hill (and hopefully Donte will be back by Week 1), I feel pretty good about the secondary and this defense overall, except for maybe the defensive interior. 

Adding Justin Houston, getting Haynes back, and seeing Barno develop make me feel ok at pass rusher.

I just have nightmares thinking back to 2019.  We had pass rushers galore (Burns, Addison, Irving), but teams figured out they could run the ball at-will up the gut and we couldn't stop it with that version of the 3-4.

Anyway, time will tell, starting with Week 1.  Desmond Ridder doesn't scare me as a passer, but the Falcons are going to run the ball, and run it some more, to set up play action.  I hope we're ready to stop the run.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Clearly he underachieved but the athletic potential is there. A 7th rounder is an equivalent of a bag of chips

Depends on the chips we are talking about. A bag of Lays barbecue okay, maybe. But Garden Salsa SunChips? I’ll keep the chips, thanks. 

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

it the tweener problem.  Simmons never really fit anywhere in college.  So, he sort of fit everywhere.  Just let a raw athlete be that.   Problem is the NFL needs guys that do specific things very well. 

and even Chinn sort of falls into that to some degree.   What is Chinn? A really talented dude we can't really figure out what to do with.  At least to date.  

Really good point.  Jamal Adams comes to mind also.  

"Positionless" sounds good, and it can be in terms of versatility.  But at the NFL level, you need to be really good at least some things.  A guy that can do everything but not do anything well isn't going to succeed.

And as much as I love Chinn, we need to see this coaching staff figure out how to use him to justify resigning him to a big contract.  I personally think he needs to be closer to the LOS of scrimmage more often than not b/c to me that's where most of his splash plays come (like that run play last week he stopped for like a 5-yard loss).

Chinn has the versatility to cover guys, but he can't cover elite receivers and that needs to be taken into consideration.  I don't like the idea of him ever being the deep safety.  Von Bell & Xavier Woods need to be the traditional safeties.

Anyway, we signed an "all-star" cast to figure this out.