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NFL executives give Bryce Young early grade

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1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Not confused at all Goat

 

 

I made threads about Stroud before I realized we were taking Young? Where are the locked ones?

 

 

1 hour ago, therealmjl said:

he is big mad. borderline emotional.

wtf are you even talking about? you've been vocal about not being happy with BY either, are you bipolar or something?

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3 hours ago, Fright said:

We were 1 game away from winning the NFCS.. they were dead last in the AFC... you tell me. 

That's not a measure of a team. Our division sucked like ass last year. Put any of us in any other division last year, including the AFC South, and we're likely last too. I know damned well, every team in the NFCS would've probably been last in the AFC North and AFC West as well. We sucked! 

Moreover, you're acting like Robert Woods hasn't been solid. He had an injury, but he's still Robert Woods. Nico Collins was expected to improve this year. Tank Dell is proving his supporters right, and Metchie coming off his illness was an excellent receiver coming out of college. Lastly, Dalton Schultz is arguably better than Hurst.  I think the RBs are arguably a push. The lines, at least this season so far are comparable. 

Admittedly, I'd have rather hired Ryans than Reich. 

Again, last year was a mirage. Furthermore, all teams try to improve and progress. No one's out there standing still. 

 

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29 minutes ago, frankw said:

If you agree that Darnold and Allen's first games where they looked good were ultimately a mirage then why are we hoping Bryce Young suddenly clicks against lesser competition? We've already seen that story play out just as you stated. It sounds to me like lowering the bar which is going backwards from where we were even before Cam got here. Sad state of affairs.

I don't think it makes sense to use the collective "we" because this all seems to boil down to what your personal expectations were for Bryce.  If you are using Cam's rookie season as the bar and expected him to be a star from Week 1, then of course you're disappointed.  If you expected he'd need some time to transition, then you're still calm and hopeful.  I'm willing to be patient...we're not a playoff team anyways, certainly not with our piling injuries to key players.  I don't need him to "suddenly click", I need (or at least expect) to see incremental improvement and for him to get more and more comfortable over the course of the season.  I would say we certainly did see improvement from Week 1 to Week 2.  It wasn't a great Week 2 performance by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a baby step in the right direction and that's OK by me.

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1 hour ago, Camp Fodder said:

I think more unknown than lesser talent. Example more people know who Adam Thielen and DJ Chark are versus Tank Dell and Nico Collins 

Thielen last year had 700+ yards. TMJ had 400+. The top two for the Texans had 400+ and 500+. They drafted a WR in the third round. We drafted one in the second. Their offensive line finished in the bottom third last season. Ours was smack dab in the middle. They had a good RB who surprised people, we went out and bought a guy that had better bulk stats and efficiency stats and had a history of being decent at catching the ball. They hired a defensive minded head coach. We went offensive. 

Yes, going into the season the Panthers looked to have more talent and a significantly more promising offense than the Houston Texans. 

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Something to keep in mind when comparing Bryce, CJ, and AR’s performance to date. 

You want the guy with the highest ceiling - long term - the guy who will get better over time etc.

Bryce has qualities that you dont just pick up over an nfl career. The things he is lagging in right now are learnable.

AR is probably closest of the three now to as good as hes going to be until injury takes him out for good in a handful of years.

CJ is slinging it, he will grow and may be good but his ceiling is not as high as bryces, just dont see him being “great.”

There’s always risk with a drafting ANY player but I think bryce has what it takes to come out on top, even if hes off to a slow start over a laughably small sample size.

Lets checkin in 3 years.

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I agree with what the executives (allegedly) have said.  He's shown the traits that got him taken high.  Still some things he needs to work on, as per usual with a rookie QB, but unsure if the team has the talent around him to allow him to make that jump this year.

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1 hour ago, Turtle said:

Something to keep in mind when comparing Bryce, CJ, and AR’s performance to date. 

You want the guy with the highest ceiling - long term - the guy who will get better over time etc.

Bryce has qualities that you dont just pick up over an nfl career. The things he is lagging in right now are learnable.

AR is probably closest of the three now to as good as hes going to be until injury takes him out for good in a handful of years.

CJ is slinging it, he will grow and may be good but his ceiling is not as high as bryces, just dont see him being “great.”

There’s always risk with a drafting ANY player but I think bryce has what it takes to come out on top, even if hes off to a slow start over a laughably small sample size.

Lets checkin in 3 years.

Why do you believe Bryce has a higher ceiling than CJ and that this is as good as Richardson is ever going to get? Richardson played in two games and got hurt and Bryce played in two games and got hurt. So why the injury concern for AR but not Bryce? 

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7 minutes ago, Varking said:

Why do you believe Bryce has a higher ceiling than CJ and that this is as good as Richardson is ever going to get? Richardson played in two games and got hurt and Bryce played in two games and got hurt. So why the injury concern for AR but not Bryce? 

Yeah you can’t tell me Bryce has the highest ceiling. During the draft process I believed he had the highest floor due to his supposedly “elite” processing skills but as far as ceiling went he was always last in that category. 

You can’t coach the strengths CJ and AR have either.

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Fans equate QB ceiling with “is he big and fast” laboring under the delusion that you can just mix in a bit of Coach Em Up and he can learn everything else and add it to the traits.

there are things Bryce does right now that long term NFL QBs never develop the ability to do. 

Richardson will never be as good at these things. They aren’t “just a bit of coaching” away. He may be a spectacular player but it will be doing things his own way and his ceiling in comparison to things that Young excels at is lower. Maybe he’s a great player, maybe he’s better overall. But it won’t be because his frame and speed are a commentary on his “ceiling.” 
 

you could honestly argue that Richardson’s frame and mobility are a cap to his ability to develop these things. Guys like that have never developed the ability to move a pocket around the way a guy like Brees did because they’ve never needed to. Perhaps at some point some unicorn will come along with a really unique environment he was grown in as a younger player that allows him to be the best of both worlds, but until it happens you’re going to continue to operate under the belief that guys like that simply don’t develop those rare skills to their peak extent because their athleticism didn’t force them to develop those skills at the most crucial stages of their development. 

edit: im all for drafting athletes at the QB position and developing them to their best, especially with how much easier it is to play QB in the current NFL. But we haven’t seen the Brady/Cam hybrid yet and it may not be possible. So much of what Cam did poorly was baked into him because he could do other things that perhaps conflicted with his ability to develop on those areas. And vice versa.

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    • *FreeFua*
      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By *FreeFua* · Posted

      And once again I showed you it’s been pretty even. We spent 2nd and 3rd rounders this past draft on edge rushers. No one’s going to sit here and do the math on a draft value chart etc. the only reason I even entertained this was because you said we’ve spent nothing on defense when that simply isn’t true. It also didn’t help we traded our ONLY WR worth a damn to trade up for Bryce soo… And this is kind of the issue with the anti Bryce crowd. This crowd tends to blame him for the trade up. I was team Stroud. Had the panthers not taken Young the only other QB they were going to take was Richardson. So your issue should be with Tepper, Morgan, Fitterer not Bryce.  Bryce is who he is and it was pretty obvious who he was during the draft process. Bryce is slowly developing into that guy most thought he’d be. Give him a WR like Jamo and this offense as a whole would improve greatly.  Anyone thinking he was the next Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen is clearly slow. Bryce was always going to need pieces around him much like EVERY other QB Burrow has Chase and Higgins and they’ve done nothing. After losing in AFC Championship in 2022, Burrow is 17-15. QB’s need a team around them It’s why a Jalen Hurts led Eagles team dismantled a Pat Mahomes led KC team in the SB Imo the QB’s doing the most with the least up until this year have been Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson  This year it’s Drake Maye and Josh Allen  Outside of the 3-5 elite type QB’s I’m not really sure what people expect here. Is Bryce ever going to be in that elite category? Nope. Should we punt on Bryce and keep swinging? I don’t think so. Should we keep swinging while hanging onto Bryce? Yeah but I don’t know what that looks like This team as a whole isn’t very good. Offense and defense and that’s the simple truth  
    • SmokinwithWilly
      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      I didn't move the goal posts. But anyone who follows football who wants to engage in a rational discussion can't argue that 10 7th round picks are equal to 10 1st rounders in value. The argument has always been we haven't spent as much on defense has we have on offense. Draft picks have value just like salary. We have not spent the same amount of draft pick salary cap on defense that we have on offense since drafting Bryce. It's not even close. Just the 2 1sts we used on Bryce, 2 overall 1sts have a value of 6000. That doesn’t even factor in DJ Moore or the 2 2nds. Bryce cost more than everything we've spent on defense in 6 damn years. 
    • raleigh-panther
      Canales and Darnold

      By raleigh-panther · Posted

      We need to hope this scenario plays our next week he fails with pressure…what that means with Evero, is beyond me
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