Bryce critics - let's be honest

[NAS]

If you look at my post history I was a CJ Stroud guy, so miss me with being a Bryce fanboy or coddler.    However, I think the kid can be a really good QB if he gets put into a better situation.   I don't know if he will be great, or have the same ceiling as AR or Stroud,  but I think we should lookin in the mirror and self reflect by asking ourselves a few questions:

1. Is it Bryce Young's fault that Panthers traded up to pick him at #1? 

Your anger should be directed at the FO not the rookie QB who is trying to develop in an extremely difficult situation.

2. If Bryce was 6'2" instead of 5'10" and had the same identical performances, would you feel the same away about his progress as a rookie QB? 

Be honest.  You would probably give him a much longer leash but you're playing into the optics of him being small as the reason for not performing better.  

3.  If Ian Thomas catches the TD on the ball that hit him in the hands, or Bryce has even decent offensive line protection, Panthers win the game yesterday and Bryce wins with over 100 QB rating and Panthers are 1-3 instead of 0-4.    Would you still be saying he's a bust?  

I'm just saying, 3 games into his career, this is a major overreaction.  Trevor Lawrence was terrible most of his rookie year, but people didn't call him a bust because he's tall,  Jaguars didn't trade up to get him, and he had a terrible coach.  Bryce should at least get a chance to play out his rookie year and support him along the way.

 

[frankw]

The height thing has been debated into oblivion. His physical talent is what is impossible to ignore. His main selling point was his QB brain and how he was years ahead of his age in terms of his QB intelligence. He skipped the combine and was awful on deep passes at his own proday while CJ Stroud showed off his natural ability in that key area. Now 4 games into his rookie season we are asking ourselves if he has the physical talent to be a franchise QB. It is not an overreaction when the other QB's taken in the top 5 are very clearly showing off that phsyical talent. You either have that or you don't and it isn't fair but that's the sport. The criticism is valid.

[Hoenheim]

If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle

No it's not all bryces fault.  But theres a high correlation with him being on the field and the offense stuttering 95% of the time. 

Dalton actually got this offense to work consistently.  It almost seems broken with Bryce.

If we play the If game,  you could say if Bryce doesn't have those 2 picks to ATL we win game 1 and if he doesn't fumble 6 this game we win this game.

But he didn't. He hasn't shown me anything that's impressed me enough to justify him being the #1 overall draft choice.  

The haters are using results they see on the field from what I'm noticing. The apologists are mostly operating on if statements, hopes, dreams. 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Hoenheim

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

The haters are using results they see on the field from what I'm noticing. The apologists are mostly operating on if statements, hopes, dreams. 

It is the Sam Darnold debates all over again.

[DeAngelo Beason]

The fact is there is not one part of his game that I would call good.  

[Racist Cat Lady]

I think if Frank can dial up some plays that give Bryce the opportunity to throw longer than 15 yards that would quiet a lot of critics.  I believe so much of these problems falls on coaching.  The game management miscues alone are that of a rookie head coach, it’s unacceptable.
  On a side note, offense as a whole seemed much better in the hurry up.  

[ncstatekwi]

[CRA]

Yes, proper anger should first be directed at a horrible front office.  Then you can go down from there.  

we have a bad owner and a bad GM, who hired a meh coach.   They mortgaged our future for a low ceiling QB that I don’t think their meh coach actually preferred to attempt to build his O around.  Early indications are he had to be convinced into the Bryce pick, his NFL college roommate essentially told us what Frank wanted and it wasn’t Bryce, etc.  

Now we have a shitastic offense and the low ceiling rookie QB being predictably bad in it.  Which isn’t really Bryce’s fault.   Bryce also has a high floor but that’s still really dependent on all the parts around him.  And the coaching and skill talent around a rookie QB of Bryce’s style is horrible. 

[NAS]

6 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

If we play the If game,  you could say if Bryce doesn't have those 2 picks to ATL we win game 1 and if he doesn't fumble 6 this game we win this game

100% - but rookies are expected to make those mistakes, veterans are not

 

7 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

But he didn't. He hasn't shown me anything that's impressed me enough to justify him being the #1 overall draft choice.  

See question #1.  Not Bryce's fault but Tepper and the FO 

[OneBadCat]

You can’t disregard his size though. It’s a problem because he doesn’t have the physical tools to play within the game or out of structure. Even his running is comparatively slow because his stride is much smaller and doesn’t cover enough ground. 
 

Bryce is cerebral because he had to be the that way. It’s the only way he could  compete at the college level. Now the competition is too athletic and too smart themselves .

Expecting the rest of the team to be perfect so he can shine is not realistic or sustainable. As the #1 pick, and for what he gave up for him, he should be elevating the team. Not the other way around.

It’s not his fault we took him. It’s not personal in that sense. But my god what a stupid pick. The FO has had the right answers in front of them for 3 years now and they continue to outsmart themselves with stupid choices.

Edited October 2, 2023 by OneBadCat

[Waldo]

The critisism is valid and deserved. It stinks for him that people really bad at their jobs picked him so high which will result in him taking a beating from fans and the media but he is being paid better for it.

There really doesn't look to be an upside with him either so I expect it will remain ugly and he will get a second shot somewhere with much less pressure eventually.

[Captroop]

Even the best QBs in the league get hit occasionally. If everything else was going great, he'd still be an enormous liability to the offense because he apparently can't be touched without coughing up a fumble. 

[Huffgolf30]

I do think he can be a good QB in this league, but our expectations need to be tampered for a while. He was clearly not #1 caliber IMO. That's on our GM and scouting dept, not Bryce. This team needs serious help around him. It's just time to adjust just expectations of him.

[LinvilleGorge]

1. No.

2. Yes. It's not about height for me. The arm talent is obviously lacking and he already looks gun shy to throw downfield.

3. If we want to play whataboutism what about if the defender would've caught that gift of a 99 yard pick six?