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Jeudy is NOT a #1 WR

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I don’t think the Broncos want players just picks so I’m not sure about the Burns thing. I’m thinking it’s two different things. 1 is a possible trade for Jeudy (conditional 4th maybe) and another team that is a contender trades for Burns (a 1st plus some). We would net better draft picks plus a decent WR for our offense and lose Burns.

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5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think the Broncos want players just picks so I’m not sure about the Burns thing. I’m thinking it’s two different things. 1 is a possible trade for Jeudy (conditional 4th maybe) and another team that is a contender trades for Burns (a 1st plus some). We would net better draft picks plus a decent WR for our offense and lose Burns.

That makes more sense. Trading Burns for anything less than a 1st would be a disappointment. 

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Seriously people, we need to stop with this nonsense that he's a #1 and is worth going after.  He's still living off his reputation as being from Alabama, a 1st round pick, and having the skills you want in a #1.

But he's in his 4th season and hasn't come close to living up to any of it.

In his first 3 years he had totals of 856, 467, and 972 yards with 9 total TDs (3 of them came in one game).

He has 5 career 100 yard games, with 2 of them coming in the final game of the season in both 2020 and 2022, so decent chance those were against scrub backups who were still playing at that point.

He has 7 career games over 77 yards receiving.... let me repeat that... in 44 career games, he's only been able to top 77 yards SEVEN times, and one of them was the 70-20 blowout to Miami 2 weeks ago and he was still only able to get 81 yards in a pass heavy game script.

And all of that is before you even get to his well known reputation for being a hothead and a diva.  You can't be a Stefon Diggs if you don't put that production out there on the field.

Also to everyone saying "well we don't hit on our draft picks so why not give up a 3rd for him", you either don't realize or ignore the fact that he has $13 million guaranteed next year.  There is not reason to give away what little draft capital we have left while also eating into our cap room that we finally will have for the first time in forever.

He would be an attempted fix at WR in the same way that Two Gloves, Darnold, and Baker were at QB... someone who costs draft assets and too much money for players who have never performed to their draft status and we think we can fix, we have to learn from our past mistakes and stop making them over and over again.

#1 is relative. He’s our 1B immediately on this team with Adam the 1A. Paying that role $13M with all our free cap isn’t the worst thing. You have an easy out if it doesn’t work in 2025 

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

The deadline is only about 3.5 weeks away, any team that thinks they are serious contenders this year would make the same trade right now as they would in a few weeks.

I think trading him now is the way to go, while teams might still be tricking themselves into thinking they're legit contenders, like the Rams last year.

That way there is a chance the team we trade him to ends up falling apart and that first round pick is in the first half of the round instead of the back end of it.  The longer we wait, the more likely the best offers come from teams who actually will make deep playoff runs.

Maybe a team like the Titans could be fooled into thinking they need to upgrade their pass rush to contend, maybe we could do something like Burns and TMJ for 2024 1st, Tryelon Burks, and a 2nd or 3rd on top.  

I know it doesn't happen with interdivisional trades, but I could see something like London and Pitts for Burns

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18 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I know it doesn't happen with interdivisional trades, but I could see something like London and Pitts for Burns

If we were to make a trade within the division, I'd much rather go after Godwin, think his game is a better fit for Bryce

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28 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

#1 is relative. He’s our 1B immediately on this team with Adam the 1A. Paying that role $13M with all our free cap isn’t the worst thing. You have an easy out if it doesn’t work in 2025 

Again, why can't people learn from things like Two Gloves, Darnold, and Baker?

Trading for players who already haven't worked out and expecting that we're going to be the team to fix them, isn't a winning strategy.

If you do that and it doesn't work out, you then wasted the first 2 years of Bryce's development and all but guarantee his status as a bust of a pick.

I'd rather overpay for Higgins than get Jeudy at a value, he's just not good.

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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My man nobody ever said he was a #1.

 

On this team he's probably our #1 though. Just shows you how bad we need help at WR now.

 

I'm more puzzled about the rumor of Burns for Jeudy. Like in what world would we entertain that.smh

The Burns angle has already been explained, and it's not hard to understand.

Jeudy isn't a WR1, but still has that upside in theory. We could certainly do worse. His main issue is injury history. 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-wide-receiver-rankings

 

He's still in Mark Harmon's top 15 under 25, even if he has underperformed. 

"Jeudy has absolutely not lived up to his billing coming into the league, is quite inconsistent and is living off his past reputation as a route runner. However, I think he’s a solid No. 2 type of receiver and is a flashy big-play threat at the position. He’s also been moved around by numerous coaching staffs far too often in his career. I don’t need to see him as a slot receiver anymore. Leave him at flanker and let him get free releases against off-man coverage. That’s when he’s at his best."

 

1000 yard receivers even in a 16 game season only had to get about 63 yards per game. 

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