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Calling it - the Bryce Young trade is the worst in team history

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7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

For sure it will be the moment we hand the Bears the #1 overall pick which happens to be a transcendent QB in Caleb Williams.

 

Any time a team has the #1 and #2 pick in the draft back to back you're going down in history those are franchise changing situations.

Word is that Williams will stay in school if certain teams have the first overall pick. I’ve also heard rumors about Maye returning as well, both are in a financial situation where they could do so… 

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45 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Word is that Williams will stay in school if certain teams have the first overall pick. I’ve also heard rumors about Maye returning as well, both are in a financial situation where they could do so… 

NIL money is definitely going to hugely change these decisions. When you can get paid millions in college there isn't this desperate need to go pro as early as possible.

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Tough to evaluate after 4 games.  Tougher when the head coach and offensive coordinator can’t tell you what their identity is on offense.  The players look lost because the coaching is lost.

  The easiest thing for Bryce would have been to focus on improving the run game from last year-something that was already working…

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Wonder how long the tail is gonna be on "it's only been XX games, I'm not giving up hope yet!"

The Hutchinson pick is an inexcusable mistake for a guy who's defining feature was supposedly elite processing. Bryce was able to fulfill the "point guard" role on Bama teams with stacked o-lines and very good skill position depth charts. Now that he's expected to elevate the worst roster in the league, we're seeing all of his limitations. 1.1 should be used on a guy who can raise the game of the whole offense, not a guy who needs a perfect situation (clean pocket, dominant run game/defense, two stud receivers, whatever) to win. Add in the fact that they traded another first/second/solid receiver to pick him and that's how you wind up in this situation. I'm not giving him any credit for "stepping it up" against prevent in a couple fourth quarters.

Can't help but feel that if they kept Wilks, they'd at least put Bryce in a slightly better position by emphasizing the run/PA, but he doesn't look super comfortable under center anyway, so maybe it would still be a disaster. Maybe Stroud would look equally as inept under this staff if they drafted him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

NIL money is definitely going to hugely change these decisions. When you can get paid millions in college there isn't this desperate need to go pro as early as possible.

This. It's going to result in a lot more highly-recruited QBs (and players in general, but QBs especially) transferring as well if guys like Caleb Williams stay. It could result in some very interesting decisions for schools and players.

Texas has a potential situation like this right now with Quinn Ewers, Maalik Murphy, and Arch Manning. If Ewers doesn't go pro after this year it's going to get very interesting.

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9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Which one of those did a team trade their best WR, 2nd round pick, and next years 1st to draft?

That's actually the point. I am not anti-Bryce. I think with good help, he could be a solid NFL QB. But to give up all they did? You had to hit a home run from game 1. It's just too much to give up for any player otherwise. You dont give that all up to "wait a couple of years." 

It's not on Bryce. It's on Fitt and Tepper. 

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2 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Word is that Williams will stay in school if certain teams have the first overall pick. I’ve also heard rumors about Maye returning as well, both are in a financial situation where they could do so… 

They will both have a situation where the Panthers are looking at the top pick in 2025 as well.

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4 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Word is that Williams will stay in school if certain teams have the first overall pick. I’ve also heard rumors about Maye returning as well, both are in a financial situation where they could do so… 

Boy that would be hilarious imagine Chicago when they have the the #1 and #2 pick and neither Caleb or Maye are in the draft. Yikes!

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12 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yes the Goff trade up was the closest and they got to the playoffs with him, and he kicked our ass today. Bryce won't be starting in 7-8 years unless we still have the same dumbass GM and HC

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Tennessee Titans to Los Angeles Rams

Player picked at No. 1: QB Jared Goff

Titans received: 2016 first-round pick (No. 15; subsequently traded, WR Corey Coleman), 2016 second-round pick (No. 43, DT Austin Johnson), 2016 second-round pick (No. 45, RB Derrick Henry), 2016 third-round pick (No. 76; subsequently traded, OT Shon Coleman), 2017 first-round pick (No. 5, WR Corey Davis) and 2017 third-round pick (No. 100, TE Jonnu Smith)

Rams received: 2016 No. 1 pick (Goff), 2016 fourth-round pick (No. 113; subsequently traded, LB Nick Kwiatkoski) and 2016 sixth-round pick (No. 177, TE Temarrick Hemingway)

Yep.  Not to mention they drafted Goff at the tail end of Fisher when that organization needed a larger reboot. Snead wanted Goff, Fisher wanted Wentz or a FA.  Fisher buried Goff and didn't play him, fans thought he was a bust after being thrown in at the end of the season in a bad situation.  But thing was, he was advertised as a prototype, just not as NFL ready as others so it wasn't lost a new coach could help him.

And behold...Fisher gets fired, Snead finds a compadre in McVay who comes in and suddenly Goff looks like a pro.  28 TDs, 7 INTs his soph season, in the SB within 2 years.

You're going nowhere without the right GM & coach.  

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13 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

For sure it will be the moment we hand the Bears the #1 overall pick which happens to be a transcendent QB in Caleb Williams.

 

Any time a team has the #1 and #2 pick in the draft back to back you're going down in history those are franchise changing situations.

 Both Caleb Williams and Drake Maye could bust in a bad situation.  Happens all the time

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Panthers get

• Bryce Young

Bears get

  • DJ Moore ( WR )
  • Marvin Harrison Jr ( WR )
  • Darnell Wright ( LT )
  • Tyrique Stevenson ( CB )
  • 2024 Eagles Round 2
  • 2025 Panthers Round 2

This is what has been floating around online if our pick gets used for Marvin Harrison JR. 

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      Why does Bryce get the blame?

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      The same folks crying about the OL right now were crying about it in 2023 too. We have tied up over 100 million dollars in two interior olinemen alone and we have Taylor Moton inked to a recent extension. We've invested multiple first and second round picks in the offense. We hired an offensive minded head coach. This is an offensive team. The offense needs to produce or people need to be replaced.
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      Why does Bryce get the blame?

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      This is the same place that has ridiculed and blasted Caleb Williams at every opportunity he has his team sitting at 10-4 in the same NFC that the Panthers are competing in. And their division in the NFC North is as or more competitive as our division. Yet from the same people who have very high standards for Williams we get every excuse imaginable for the smallest starting QB in the league even when he and his team continue to disappoint when the pressure is on. You lot aren't any less inconsistent than anyone else.
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      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By *FreeFua* · Posted

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