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Bryce Young’s Growing Pains | Film Breakdown | Week 5 vs Detroit Lions Analysis

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1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

I'm just waiting for a game where he throws multiple tds and doesn't have turnovers 

I don’t care if he throws interceptions to an extent. These WR’s are utter trash. So if he wants to take some chances instead of throwing 900 check downs go for it

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21 minutes ago, ickmule said:

Don’t care about these breakdowns. Kid is too short and displays no nfl level skill.  He fails the eye test in every category. The sooner y’all accept that the better off you’ll feel. 

Imagine if you ran an nfl team using this mentality… the results would be hilarious.  

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1 minute ago, Ricky Spanish said:

thats like the 4th time that has happened this season

Agreed but to his credit I think Thomas and Chark were responsible for the other ones.  I still kind of think Tremble has some potential and should be TE2 behind Hurst in this offense.  

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3 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

I don’t care if he throws interceptions to an extent. These WR’s are utter trash. So if he wants to take some chances instead of throwing 900 check downs go for it

I 100% agree.  I would rather him learn what he can and cant do by throwing a few bad ints in a season we arent winning anything anyways than just play super safe all the time.

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11 hours ago, d-dave said:

Here's an interesting one as well:

I think it's good to look at a large set of opinions in order to really read between the lines.  I was dead to the world yesterday so I had a chance to watch them.  For me, based on watching the game, and laying on my couch petting my dogs while watching youtube, there's hope.

We still have issues with guys not doing their jobs.  From the OL to WRs and TEs to the coaching - there are SO MANY issues with our performance, it becomes hard to hold Young completely accountable for the terrible performances.  While Young is not playing perfectly, he's a rookie, it's OK.  I'm not going to mention other QBs because everyone has a different situation.  Young is getting better, which is all we can ask.  

The coaches need to do a better job of scheming guys open, of using motion, of making everyone's life easier.  Tepper needs to just fug off - be a fan, go drink beer with ugly guys at the Huddle Tailgate, just leave the team operations to Frank and Scott.  You hired them - let them do their jobs.

The Bleav in Panthers podcast (https://bleav.com/shows/bleav-in-carolina-panthers/) had a really good episode this week with Curtis Whitley and some guys from the Miami show.  Whitley made a great point, when dealing with this kind of adversity - you find out what guys are playing for.  You have to have the leadership, which in our case is going to be developing.  

Overall, despite the losses, I don't feel like we're that far away from turning a corner.  I think after the bye, getting some of those injured players back, we can make some noise.  Then again, I am trying to be optimistic.  Why?  I'm happier that way.  I know, crazy stuff!

One of the more balanced takes on the state of our team. Well done sir!

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8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Here’s one showcasing Young being hesitant to pull trigger on a few NFL open type throws. Hard to disagree with this kid on what he’s seeing. I’d say he’s pretty spot on

The assessment is accurate. If random dudes on YouTube can see it then obviously defensive coaches watching film can see it and when you see how we are losing games it's obvious no one is afraid of our QB beating them with his arm. Bryce has to stand on his own two feet like the top pick he is and start throwing downfield. If not it's going to be more of the same and it's going to get even uglier.

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11 hours ago, d-dave said:

Here's an interesting one as well:

I think it's good to look at a large set of opinions in order to really read between the lines.  I was dead to the world yesterday so I had a chance to watch them.  For me, based on watching the game, and laying on my couch petting my dogs while watching youtube, there's hope.

We still have issues with guys not doing their jobs.  From the OL to WRs and TEs to the coaching - there are SO MANY issues with our performance, it becomes hard to hold Young completely accountable for the terrible performances.  While Young is not playing perfectly, he's a rookie, it's OK.  I'm not going to mention other QBs because everyone has a different situation.  Young is getting better, which is all we can ask.  

The coaches need to do a better job of scheming guys open, of using motion, of making everyone's life easier.  Tepper needs to just fug off - be a fan, go drink beer with ugly guys at the Huddle Tailgate, just leave the team operations to Frank and Scott.  You hired them - let them do their jobs.

The Bleav in Panthers podcast (https://bleav.com/shows/bleav-in-carolina-panthers/) had a really good episode this week with Curtis Whitley and some guys from the Miami show.  Whitley made a great point, when dealing with this kind of adversity - you find out what guys are playing for.  You have to have the leadership, which in our case is going to be developing.  

Overall, despite the losses, I don't feel like we're that far away from turning a corner.  I think after the bye, getting some of those injured players back, we can make some noise.  Then again, I am trying to be optimistic.  Why?  I'm happier that way.  I know, crazy stuff!

I love the whole “how many times does Bryce have to hit players in the face before you appreciate his accuracy” comment. We need some stickum for their face masks. 

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On 10/11/2023 at 1:21 PM, Jay Roosevelt said:

Steve Smith put out a video recently discussing the Panthers and Bryce and mentioned the second INT and how the defender was able to make that play because Ian Thomas was supposed to be drawing the coverage, but because the defender didn't respect Ian's abilities as a receiver underneath he was able to drift back and make the play.

Imagine that… someone didn’t respect Thomas as a receiver. And yet he is still employed .

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      Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

      By Icege · Posted

      We're in alignment regarding Thielen not being a game changer/breaker for the Panthers. Getting the ball into hands of playmakers like TMac and XL is going to open up things more than it is getting it to Thielen underneath (or letting him go after 50/50 balls 20yds downfield in his mid-30s). However, in a room where the other guys are two second year guys and two rookies, having a reliable vet that they can learn from is just as important as it is for the QB to have as a reliable third option. I can see that being worth $8.5M (just 3%) of the $279.2M cap... especially when looking at what's left out there: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/position/wr However, the idea that the team is forcing production to Thielen and leading to losses isn't supported by the data. Targets, not receiving yards, are how you can tell if a player is being "force fed." In the two games mentioned, let's look at the other players available... vs. TB 10 targets - Adam Thielen 9 targets - David Moore 8 targets - Tommy Tremble, Xavier Legette 3 targets - Jonathon Brooks 1 target - Dan Chisena, Feleipe Franks, Stephen Sullivan vs. PHI 11 targets - Adam Thielen 8 targets - Xavier Legette 5 targets - Chuba Hubbard, David Moore 2 targets - Tommy Tremble 1 target - Ja'Tavion Sanders, Deven Thompkins There isn't exactly a bounty of other names to throw the ball to. In those games, AT was one of the top 2 WRs. Diontae had been gone by that point.   So... yea. Agreed that Thielen isn't exactly carrying the team in his mid-30s, but it's undeniable that he was the most reliable target last season that still has quite a bit of value this season. Whether or not that value is reflected in a manner folks think on the contract is going to come down to personal taste. However, the idea that the team was forcing production to AT and that was the reason behind some losses couldn't be further from the truth.
    • PNW_PantherMan
      Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

      By PNW_PantherMan · Posted

      I would also add that I think it's more than money.  AT has looked absolutely miserable out there at times, and there was a lot of speculation he would demand to be traded.  Personally, I thought he was a lock to be moved last year.  Maybe his hamstring is the only thing that prevents that from happening. The fact that he's not only willing to come back and play, but excited about it, really bodes well for Bryce.  AT is a veteran and he knows the game.  If he didn't have confidence in Bryce, I guarantee you he wouldn't be in a Panther uniform this year.  I'll take that as a positive.
    • frankw
      Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

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      Two wins bud. 2 wins. Accept it.
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